So this ascendancy system

[moonfeast]

We have to do this ♥♥♥♥ every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ season ? gate keeping passive points behind sanctums ?
if you want to implement sanctums or ultimatum sure but make it optional , don't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lock passive points behind it, its incredible frustrating and the thought of having to grind this out every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ season is an absolute nightmare.

[Psycha]

Agree.. hopefully on leagues they do domething else to get all of our ascendancey.

The last few points require specific type of builds and defense style to really get it done.

[moonfeast]

This is the reason i refuse to roll a new character just to grind out all the ascendancy points, too bad the new fan-base is full of toxic try-hards so nothing will change

[CrappyBark]

They just need to bring labs back

[moonfeast]

Originally posted by CrappyBark:

They just need to bring labs back

They can bring whatever they want back, but don't lock ascendancy points behind them

[Gnasty Gnorc]

Originally posted by moonfeast:

This is the reason i refuse to roll a new character just to grind out all the ascendancy points, too bad the new fan-base is full of toxic try-hards so nothing will change

So you think because you don't like it, it SHOULD change?

Guarantee you have no relics with honor res or max honor, and you're still crying about it lol.

[moonfeast]

Originally posted by Pure Havik:

Originally posted by moonfeast:

This is the reason i refuse to roll a new character just to grind out all the ascendancy points, too bad the new fan-base is full of toxic try-hards so nothing will change

So you think because you don't like it, it SHOULD change?

Guarantee you have no relics with honor res or max honor, and you're still crying about it lol.

Exactly the type of toxic try-hard im talking about

[CrappyBark]

Originally posted by moonfeast:

Originally posted by CrappyBark:

They just need to bring labs back

They can bring whatever they want back, but don't lock ascendancy points behind them

Nah, some effort needs to be made to earn the ascension, I'm pretty sure a 30 minute to an hour dungeon is an acceptable trade. It's basically a dps/survivability check to make sure you're building effectively


Labs were a thousand times better than sanctum and ultimatum, as they were the same for a week so if you knew the layout even after failing you would still know the route through as opposed to in POE 2 having to play the lottery of debuffs and hope you don't get ♥♥♥♥ upon by RNGesus

[moonfeast]

Originally posted by CrappyBark:

Originally posted by moonfeast:

They can bring whatever they want back, but don't lock ascendancy points behind them

Nah, some effort needs to be made to earn the ascension, I'm pretty sure a 30 minute to an hour dungeon is an acceptable trade. It's basically a dps/survivability check to make sure you're building effectively


Labs were a thousand times better than sanctum and ultimatum, as they were the same for a week so if you knew the layout even after failing you would still know the route through as opposed to in POE 2 having to play the lottery of debuffs and hope you don't get ♥♥♥♥ upon by RNGesus

Nope it its not a dps/survivability check at all, i am fine with running thru the entire process for all 8 points once, but if i have to redo the entire process for another character then no.
tell me what do you mean some effort needs to be made ? i'm already end-game running maps, is that not enuff effort?
what are you talking about needing some effort? i play a perma frost witch build, the trails aren't even hard for me, i just hate the trails, so don't lock ascendancy points behind them and force us to do the whole process just for 2 points at a time, pretty sure alot of players agree as well.
i understand the game needs to be challenging , you can make bosses even harder if you want if you wan to feel "effort" , if you think being able to clear trails make you better than other people, mate you need to go out and find something more fulfilling to do in life.

[CrappyBark]

Originally posted by moonfeast:

Originally posted by CrappyBark:

Nah, some effort needs to be made to earn the ascension, I'm pretty sure a 30 minute to an hour dungeon is an acceptable trade. It's basically a dps/survivability check to make sure you're building effectively


Labs were a thousand times better than sanctum and ultimatum, as they were the same for a week so if you knew the layout even after failing you would still know the route through as opposed to in POE 2 having to play the lottery of debuffs and hope you don't get ♥♥♥♥ upon by RNGesus

Nope it its not a dps/survivability check at all, i am fine with running thru the entire process for all 8 points once, but if i have to redo the entire process for another character then no.
tell me what do you mean some effort needs to me made ? i'm already end-game running maps, is that not enuff effort?
what are you talking about needing some effort? i play a perma frost witch build, the trails aren't even hard for me, i just hate the trails, so don't lock ascendancy points behind them and force us to do the whole process just for 2 points at a time, pretty sure alot of players agree as well.
i understand the game needs to be challenging , you can make bosses even harder if you want if you wan to feel "effort" , if you think being able to clear trails make you better than other people, mate you need to go out and find something more fulfilling to do in life.

See I was trying to be accommodating and helpful and meeting you halfway. But you being this entitled little brat makes me hope that they don't keep the ascendancy as is but make it worse. GGG should split the points up even more so that you only get 1 point for a completion and have to run sanctum and ultimatum twice more, in an even longer and harder version.

Labs were seriously just a test to make sure you weren't brain dead or a bot, and if you can't even put up with that then you don't deserve ascension and should go consider your poor decisions in the corner of shame. Your bloodline is weak and no one will remember your name after you're dust in the ground.

[moonfeast]

Originally posted by CrappyBark:

Originally posted by moonfeast:

Nope it its not a dps/survivability check at all, i am fine with running thru the entire process for all 8 points once, but if i have to redo the entire process for another character then no.
tell me what do you mean some effort needs to me made ? i'm already end-game running maps, is that not enuff effort?
what are you talking about needing some effort? i play a perma frost witch build, the trails aren't even hard for me, i just hate the trails, so don't lock ascendancy points behind them and force us to do the whole process just for 2 points at a time, pretty sure alot of players agree as well.
i understand the game needs to be challenging , you can make bosses even harder if you want if you wan to feel "effort" , if you think being able to clear trails make you better than other people, mate you need to go out and find something more fulfilling to do in life.

See I was trying to be accommodating and helpful and meeting you halfway. But you being this entitled little brat makes me hope that they don't keep the ascendancy as is but make it worse. GGG should split the points up even more so that you only get 1 point for a completion and have to run sanctum and ultimatum twice more, in an even longer and harder version.

Labs were seriously just a test to make sure you weren't brain dead or a bot, and if you can't even put up with that then you don't deserve ascension and should go consider your poor decisions in the corner of shame. Your bloodline is weak and no one will remember your name after you're dust in the ground.

yet another tryhard who thinks clearing ascendancy makes them better or something, you probably failed in life and only have the game to fall back on.
if you think sanctum and ultimatum is hard then mate you just proved either your build is ♥♥♥♥ or you're just ♥♥♥♥ at the game, its not hard to most of the players , its just boring and cheaty.
you didn't meet me halfway , i knew you were condescending when you mentioned its a dps/survivability check.
You try-hards keep thinking its a skill issue and you are better than others in a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game prob haven't even got to mapping yet, the game is not even hard, it became poe1 for me in around act 6, go on youtube and watch how people are playing if you think its a skill based game,

[moonfeast]

Did everyone suddenly forget the fun of arpgs is creating new game breaking builds for all different classes ?
locking progression behind labs is just a mechanic they add in so they can force you to have to spend more time grinding and playing which is extremely counter productive, if anyone thinks spending more time retrying and redoing labs just for that 8 points is putting in "effort" then you just proved how much of a braindead loser you are

[Razerarc]

Originally posted by CrappyBark:

Originally posted by moonfeast:

Nope it its not a dps/survivability check at all, i am fine with running thru the entire process for all 8 points once, but if i have to redo the entire process for another character then no.
tell me what do you mean some effort needs to me made ? i'm already end-game running maps, is that not enuff effort?
what are you talking about needing some effort? i play a perma frost witch build, the trails aren't even hard for me, i just hate the trails, so don't lock ascendancy points behind them and force us to do the whole process just for 2 points at a time, pretty sure alot of players agree as well.
i understand the game needs to be challenging , you can make bosses even harder if you want if you wan to feel "effort" , if you think being able to clear trails make you better than other people, mate you need to go out and find something more fulfilling to do in life.

See I was trying to be accommodating and helpful and meeting you halfway. But you being this entitled little brat makes me hope that they don't keep the ascendancy as is but make it worse. GGG should split the points up even more so that you only get 1 point for a completion and have to run sanctum and ultimatum twice more, in an even longer and harder version.

Labs were seriously just a test to make sure you weren't brain dead or a bot, and if you can't even put up with that then you don't deserve ascension and should go consider your poor decisions in the corner of shame. Your bloodline is weak and no one will remember your name after you're dust in the ground.

He's right that you were being condescending. Intentionally or not. OP was saying the activity was not fun and tedious to have to do every time. Not that it's too hard and he thinks it should go away. Yet your response was to automatically assume he's having trouble completing it because it's too difficult. It's condescending because while you may not find it tedious and frustrating, you are dismissive of the frustration of others.

Not saying anyone is necessarily right over the other. But you were being condescending and dismissive. Again...I don't think you were necessarily doing it intentionally, so really it's not a big deal. Tone is hard to get across through text.

[moonfeast]

Originally posted by Razerarc:

Originally posted by CrappyBark:

See I was trying to be accommodating and helpful and meeting you halfway. But you being this entitled little brat makes me hope that they don't keep the ascendancy as is but make it worse. GGG should split the points up even more so that you only get 1 point for a completion and have to run sanctum and ultimatum twice more, in an even longer and harder version.

Labs were seriously just a test to make sure you weren't brain dead or a bot, and if you can't even put up with that then you don't deserve ascension and should go consider your poor decisions in the corner of shame. Your bloodline is weak and no one will remember your name after you're dust in the ground.

He's right that you were being condescending. Intentionally or not. OP was saying the activity was not fun and tedious to have to do every time. Not that it's too hard and he thinks it should go away. Yet your response was to automatically assume he's having trouble completing it because it's too difficult by your comment that it should be difficult and that it's a DPS/survivability check. It's condescending because perhaps you don't find it tedious and frustrating, and simply dismissive the frustration of others.

Not saying anyone is necessarily right over the other. But you were being condescending and dismissive. Again...I don't think you were necessarily doing it intentionally, so really it's not a big deal. Tone is hard to get across through text.

finally a reasonable and respectable person, you are on point there, its not hard, its just not fun and tedious, i am ok with playing thru it for one toon, but like playing any arpgs we all play multiple toons trying multiple builds, so they really shouldn't lock progression behind something so repetitive , alot of players like me really didn't like labs in poe1, so i really just hope they make it optional.

keep the trials in the game , but streamline progression so players can start new characters and try new builds more easily.

[so confuse]

honor system is terribly fu king su ck. get rid of it!! as a melee player, I'm so frustrating with these trials, not even fun to play through it, boss can't even kill me, but honor did.

[CrappyBark]

Originally posted by Razerarc:

He's right that you were being condescending. Intentionally or not. OP was saying the activity was not fun and tedious to have to do every time. Not that it's too hard and he thinks it should go away. Yet your response was to automatically assume he's having trouble completing it because it's too difficult. It's condescending because while you may not find it tedious and frustrating, you are dismissive of the frustration of others.

Not saying anyone is necessarily right over the other. But you were being condescending and dismissive. Again...I don't think you were necessarily doing it intentionally, so really it's not a big deal. Tone is hard to get across through text.

Dismissive yes, absolutely I will agree. But not condescending, here's my original post, go ahead and show me the parts you think are being condescending so wee can clear this up. Because OP wants stuff for free and we all know that this is POE so everything has to be earned to an extent

Originally posted by CrappyBark:

Originally posted by moonfeast:

They can bring whatever they want back, but don't lock ascendancy points behind them

Nah, some effort needs to be made to earn the ascension,

This part I will give as basically being dismissive, but mostly to the idea of OP asking for ascendancy for free. If ascendancy is free why even bother putting it in the game? Why not just put the uniques into the passive tree?

I'm pretty sure a 30 minute to an hour dungeon is an acceptable trade. It's basically a dps/survivability check to make sure you're building effectively

The explanation of something like labs being the halfway point, that it is just to make sure you aren't spamming random stuff and actually playing a cohesive build. Labs are repeatable and were ran for loot even after getting your ascension from it because it was predictable. Ascension will never NOT be locked behind something, labs is the better answer and this was a brief explanation to it

Labs were a thousand times better than sanctum and ultimatum, as they were the same for a week so if you knew the layout even after failing you would still know the route through as opposed to in POE 2 having to play the lottery of debuffs and hope you don't get ♥♥♥♥ upon by RNGesus

More explanation as to why labs were better, while bein dismissive to the current system and not to OP


So tell me where I am being a try-hard or insulting or condescending?



On the other hand, after I proposed the labs system making a return:

Originally posted by moonfeast:

Nope it its not a dps/survivability check at all,...

immediately dismissive

...i am fine with running thru the entire process for all 8 points once, but if i have to redo the entire process for another character then no.

dismissive and self-centered/self-important

tell me what do you mean some effort needs to be made ? i'm already end-game running maps, is that not enuff effort?

entitled and dismissive

what are you talking about needing some effort? i play a perma frost witch build, the trails aren't even hard for me,...

dismissive and actin like a tough guy, a "try-hard" if you will

i just hate the trails, so don't lock ascendancy points behind them...

"I don't like it so change it" entitled

and force us to do the whole process just for 2 points at a time, pretty sure alot of players agree as well.

We do agree, that's why labs are better

i understand the game needs to be challenging , you can make bosses even harder if you want if you wan to feel "effort" , if you think being able to clear trails make you better than other people, mate you need to go out and find something more fulfilling to do in life.

Dismissive, insulting, and acting like a try-hard. Yet I am at fault for pointing out a better system and OP acts like a childish brat. See, THIS is me being condescending and OP deserves it for being an insulting, childish, self-important person who has expectations outside of what the devs have a history of doing.

OP over here, because I don't agree that ascension should be free, decides to insult myself and everyone who thinks in a similar way in another comment

Originally posted by moonfeast:

Did everyone suddenly forget the fun of arpgs is creating new game breaking builds for all different classes ?
locking progression behind labs is just a mechanic they add in so they can force you to have to spend more time grinding and playing which is extremely counter productive, if anyone thinks spending more time retrying and redoing labs just for that 8 points is putting in "effort" then you just proved how much of a braindead loser you are

But yes, by all means, call me out for being slightly dismissive in my initial post. That's fine, it won't make me less right