Bullet-sponge final Act 2 bosses - why?

[Beta Ray Shill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ozfy8FQ7Dk
4:20min, sorc 1st try against the final boss.

Level 33, 'ascended' and so on.

The Gul boss before this was similar - as in, I thought it would never end. I had the mechanics 'understood' and was just repeating the same nonsense over and over and over and over.

Then this guy shows up - actually ran out of everything, even mana potions.

This company is borderline on the cusp of creating one of the best made games in existence, yet it's hard-on for 'one upping' the 'leet' players is what's killing it.

I recently watched a video of the 2nd floor boss of Trail of S. For ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzkbqklxmF0
Look at DPS this guy has on the boss. There isn't even a fight.

Is this what the game is designed for? People who can break the systems like this? They're probably 5% of the playerbase.

It's crazy to be ascended, over-levelled and over-geared and be doing virtually no damage to the bosses.

I mean, they just need to reduce this boss's HP by 20% and he'd still be a challenge for 'normal people'. And an enjoyable challenge. This is not enjoyable.

Who the hell wants to replay something like this and Gul every time they start a new campaign?

[(MP) Bud Tendy]

Like someone else said your missing a lot of damage by not utilising the synergy from other spells.
You should be casting from within or through orb of storms & flame wall for extra shock & ignite.
Another thing Spark is better than Arc imo
Also your a Sorceress you should not be running out of mana just using Arc, put some points into mana regen (Gear & skill tree)
Only time I needed mana flask was when I started using Mana Tempest in act 3.

I've just started act 1 cruel so my character is over powered for this boss however I'm playing the same way using the same skills, its just quicker than when I originally done him,
https://youtu.be/1DFDcZLsVNg

[geronimo]

And still you are convinced that you are right. A lot of people have tried to explain to you how you can vastly improve your damage output in different ways, but you refuse to listen and instead resort to some weird argument of authority.

You are specced into both fire and lightning damage, and are using your skills suboptimal to apply most of it.

50ish percent increased spell damage is OK but nothing outrageous.

Gem levels matter a lot. At this point the game doesn’t really shower you with skill gems, but ensure that your main damage skills are all up as far as they go.

You say you are ascended, where is arcane surge ? (Assuming you went stormweaver that is). It’s hand down the best passive in the entire game.

There are also a couple fantastic mana regen and amount nodes in the bottom right of the passive tree. You base mana regen is a percentage of your max mana. More mana = more regen.

You can improve your current build with better usage of your skills, and using spark instead of arc, get more mana regen and use curses.

You can also specialise in one element. Synergising is always better.

You can also try to go minions for a while. A nice +2 sceptre, you got a +1 helmet already, and find an offhand with either +spirit or minion skill. The way you are currently dropping flame walls and orb of lightning is kind of how you would play a pet build.

[Machin Shin]

its such a easy boss after i set up my build just for him

[Beta Ray Shill]

Just beat the boss there on the 5th try, no changes to gear or the strategy. Recorded only the last few min as it was going on forever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kRKlevc9A8
IMO, it’s a fair-ish fight and decently designed once you know the ‘mechanics’.

However, 10-15% too much HP (multiple people saying the same thing). It drags it out by about one minute too long, where you start to lose concentration due to repetition.

Also, I clearly am not the only normal person who has had issues with this boss.

Thread: Can't kill Jamanra the Abomination
Thread: Can't beat Jamanra the Abomination
Thread: Stuck on Jamanra the Abomination

There are dozens of them, with multiple people expressing problems with the thing. I get that everyone's 'leet' on Steam. Cool stuff. But unfortunately not everyone is as committed as yourselves to a computer game. I leave the above links to demonstrate that if there are this many people complaining, there's something up.

Balance solution is simple: HP nerf. No need to change anything else from what I can tell...

Some sample quotes (all from different people):

1. Stuck as well on Jamanra. The game is becoming more frustrating than fun. It shouldn't feel like chronically gated content during a campaign.

2. The only problem is the hp.pool.is huge, everything else is ok. Just a bullet sponge slog
For real. I thought the Colossus was bad in the desert, but I barely scratch this guy as a Merc

3. I love the game up until this point. I think I'm 3 hours stuck on this ♥♥♥♥. Respeced, got more lighting res, but he's still insanely tanky. Witch minion.

4. Jamanra is a horribly designed boss. The final phase is some pre-nerf Consort Radahn level ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

5. This boss is filtering out tons of people. I really don't think this is a well designed boss fight. It's just absolutely ridiculous. I'm geared pretty well too as a Summoner Witch, and this is a massive wall.

[Detergent]

Originally posted by Beta Ray Shill:

5th try, no changes to gear or the strategy

Uh, I'm starting to see your problem now.
You are supposed to be constantly solving issues and changing strategy/gear in this game.
Thats the entire reason PoE2 removed skill sockets from items and made respecs easily accessible with gold. So you can change and adapt to the challenge.

To me it looks like you found one of the many popular spark builds on the internet and blindly copied it without knowing the basics on why and how it works.

Then complained when your meta streamer spark build ended up as a wet noodle launcher.

[DirtyMick]

Sorc is one of the lower skill floor classes, with its aoe and range, but also one of the higher skill ceiling classes. So yeah, you beat him eventually, but you could definitely play so much more efficiently with your spell placements to kill him much faster. Not to mention, you're doing a hybrid build focusing on both fire and lightning instead of going all in on one damage type. So naturally, your overall damage is going to be slightly less. You could've played it better, taking more advantage of your firewall/spark combo, and better orb placements. Personally, I would just get rid of the fire orb spell and fire damage nodes you took. Just use firewall/spark without the extra fire damage and take more lightning/spell damage instead. But maybe not lol sorc was my first char and I'm a bit of a newb myself. I didn't even use arc, and maybe I should have.

That being said, they could definitely lower the boss HP slightly. I don't think anyone would be mad about that lol. Those who say they shouldnt, are just sort of trying to brag in a sneaky passive way, to also tell you its your fault, not the game's. It's a weird psychological thing that I may even do sometimes. Like, yeah I beat them, but that doesn't mean it's a bad idea to lower their health.

[DilDoah]

Originally posted by Beta Ray Shill:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ozfy8FQ7Dk
4:20min, sorc 1st try against the final boss.

Level 33, 'ascended' and so on.

The Gul boss before this was similar - as in, I thought it would never end. I had the mechanics 'understood' and was just repeating the same nonsense over and over and over and over.

Then this guy shows up - actually ran out of everything, even mana potions.

This company is borderline on the cusp of creating one of the best made games in existence, yet it's hard-on for 'one upping' the 'leet' players is what's killing it.

I recently watched a video of the 2nd floor boss of Trail of S. For ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzkbqklxmF0
Look at DPS this guy has on the boss. There isn't even a fight.

Is this what the game is designed for? People who can break the systems like this? They're probably 5% of the playerbase.

It's crazy to be ascended, over-levelled and over-geared and be doing virtually no damage to the bosses.

I mean, they just need to reduce this boss's HP by 20% and he'd still be a challenge for 'normal people'. And an enjoyable challenge. This is not enjoyable.

Who the hell wants to replay something like this and Gul every time they start a new campaign?

just kill it

[SpottedHare]

Bosses are left over from when this was a POE 1 campaign continuation. Think of what your player looks like at the end of act 10 and dev though you would be further past that.

[Detergent]

Originally posted by SpottedHare:

Bosses are left over from when this was a POE 1 campaign continuation. Think of what your player looks like at the end of act 10 and dev though you would be further past that.

PoE1 was originally planned to be updated for PoE2 combat. Not the other way around.
Also it was never a continuation of the PoE1 campaign. They were planned to sit side by side giving you the option to pick one.

[magnumaniac]

Originally posted by Beta Ray Shill:

Just beat the boss there on the 5th try, no changes to gear or the strategy. Recorded only the last few min as it was going on forever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kRKlevc9A8
IMO, it’s a fair-ish fight and decently designed once you know the ‘mechanics’.

Yeah, that is down to you not utilising the full potential of your skills. No idea what supports you have in, but you should have Orb of Storms, Flamewall and the curse up all the time to maximise the Arc damage. Didn't see you cast Orb once.
Your DPS is probably less than half of what it should be.
I also keep a Frost Bomb leveled and available to help with lightning resistant rares and bosses.

Boss is fine, and goes down quickly enough if you use the skills properly.