Endgame sucks

[niaerniopawrjnko]

Its boring and repetitive. The maps are awful and we only get one portal. They promised us slower, more methodical gameplay... But I am not seeing it.

There is just nothing exciting about it, barely any reward for the amount of grinding needed. Also there are barely any league mechanics to interact with. How are all modern games just downgrades to what came before? 5 years, and all we got was one really good act, 2 trash acts and a laughably bad endgame.

[JohnMiller92]

Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:

Originally posted by ZeroOne:

first act is the best .... its like act 2 and 3 are written by a different person that has no feeling for the dark tone ...

Alva is a prime example of a cringecharacter, clearly written by Californian women.

Alva is sexy af. don't talk sh*t about my Alva

[Crim]

the game is launching in 6 months not 6 years, people need to stop coping about early access. What your seeing is more or less what you will be getting.

[Supa]

And if it wasn't early access they would say "bro it's 1st season they will fix it in next". "Bro it's first gam-" oh ♥♥♥♥ nevermind.

But what should endgame be? What should the GAME be? boring and repetitive is what they're aiming for, it's what their fans love, it's just like if we want something else we can't win, we can only leave.

[RedShirt]

I'd really like to tell you how it's early access and will get better and everything, but after they have sold over a million keys... well this is a release whether they want it or not.

I feel the same. I really liked act 1, it felt gritty and simply well crafted. Then it went up to the desert and, while I liked some ideas, the act was a lot weaker. Then came act 3 which has some fun areas, but the story went off the rails hard and the bosses, didn't made the same impression. I bet the other 3 acts will go the same route, story goes off the rails and bosses become a mess of abstraction.

I don't want to fight "Hatred", I don't want to interact with "Sin". I don't need time travel. I want true characters. I want a fool being used by powers he doesn't understand turning him into a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wolf demon, reciting poetry while wiping the floor with my poor ass. Act 1 had a bit of that. They could have made that deeper, but no.. we somehow must fight gods, in the past guided by some technological Inca genius villain.

And yeah, well the endgame sucks. But I'm willing to wait.

[ShotYouNowDie]

as others have said, This is not Early Access if its sold 1million keys its as close to a full release as its going to get with that said ya the game is fun
maybe they will fix some of the bugs and endgame BUT......BUT


They have already let RMT ruin the game and there is no way to fix it now there is zero reason an endgame item that isn't even 10-10 going for 150-200Dvi that legit ends the endgame for most if not everyone that's not already on t14+

[niaerniopawrjnko]

Originally posted by ShotYouNowDie:

as others have said, This is not Early Access if its sold 1million keys its as close to a full release as its going to get with that said ya the game is fun
maybe they will fix some of the bugs and endgame BUT......BUT


They have already let RMT ruin the game and there is no way to fix it now there is zero reason an endgame item that isn't even 10-10 going for 150-200Dvi that legit ends the endgame for most if not everyone that's not already on t14+

Yeah the economy is ♥♥♥♥♥♥. They released the game right before christmas and then went on vacation, leaving us with a completely broken game. Unbelievable how little ♥♥♥♥ GGG gives. There is no point in playing, either they reset all progress in January or no one is going to keep playing this broken mess of a game.

[Supa]

But why do the games that suck always have the most players?

[Frag]

Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:

Its boring and repetitive. The maps are awful and we only get one portal. They promised us slower, more methodical gameplay... But I am not seeing it.

There is just nothing exciting about it, barely any reward for the amount of grinding needed. Also there are barely any league mechanics to interact with. How are all modern games just downgrades to what came before? 5 years, and all we got was one really good act, 2 trash acts and a laughably bad endgame.

The game hasa been out 3 weeks. They never promised you a completed game. This at least a 12 month project. You knew what you were getting into. Or should have.

[niaerniopawrjnko]

Originally posted by Frag:

Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:

Its boring and repetitive. The maps are awful and we only get one portal. They promised us slower, more methodical gameplay... But I am not seeing it.

There is just nothing exciting about it, barely any reward for the amount of grinding needed. Also there are barely any league mechanics to interact with. How are all modern games just downgrades to what came before? 5 years, and all we got was one really good act, 2 trash acts and a laughably bad endgame.

The game hasa been out 3 weeks. They never promised you a completed game. This at least a 12 month project. You knew what you were getting into. Or should have.

If you have nothing meaningful to contribute to the discussion, why bother commenting on this post with a low effort, copy pasted reddit reply????????????

[Spany]

I thought it was super fun through the first three acts. Then the 1-15 came and while it was repetitive and boring it wasn’t god awful, but the citadels changed my mind when I was looking for them. It took over 600 maps to find the 3 citadels and when I finally found them they were all bunched up together. Just after a point it’s not a skill issue it’s a rng issue. Which is boring. If I’m not awarded on how good I play and you just throw a bunch of rng to make the game take longer then it just feels lazy. It’s not fun just running a bunch of level 1-10 when I’ve been doing a bunch of 15’s so I can find the citadels faster. Gold is also pretty pointless. I’m sitting at 4 mil and I’m like what do I do with it? Just spent 100k to make level 5 maps just because I’m bored. Again early game was great but the rng feels worse with the maps/citadels than poe1. Oh the trading sucks really bad as well. When you have items for sale and people just join them leave after you withdrew the item to trade. Or another guy joined canceled trade a few times and was trying to get into my maps. Idk how much time I’ve wasted on people saying oh the item is this much then you go to trade and they were like oh well I got more messages of people offering more, but you had it listed on the site. Just so much time wasted trying to find decent…not even the best gear.

[niaerniopawrjnko]

Ive been farming t15 maps for a bit now and I am just bored out of my mind. I cant remember the last time something exciting dropped. Im tired of running these garbage unfun layouts chasing rares. I barely get any XP at this point and when I lvl up I notice 0 difference in power. The only real way to actually increase my power is through trading but whats the point in going through all that ♥♥♥♥ for a marginal increase (since everything really good is overpriced).

And whoevers idea it was to tie breach passive points to killing that boss should be fired... I still dont have 300 splinters???

[Ferrsai]

Originally posted by BadToast:

Endgame by their own admission has had the least time to be worked on.

They were going to do Acts 4-6, but a few months before EA decided to work on endgame to have it available in EA.

As for speed, I don't think it's going to be slowed down too much. When D4 was slow, everyone complained and they sped it up. Every time GGG nerfs a super fast build, people complain. Everyone wants fast, and I suspect that while GGG wants combo gameplay, endgame will still be pretty fast because they can't force slow gameplay in the endgame without major complaints.

That's part of the problem of their whole design philosophy. If the end game has the least amount of work, and what they have is terrible, then why is there even any design time spent on the end game? Also, why is the majority of the enjoyment backloaded into the endgame, but then also counterbalanced with the most monotonous, unexciting and unrewarding grindlord crap ever conceived?

[*Gen*HeroCrusher]

Most of the maps are freaking terrible and you are forced to do them over and over... That being said Im still playing for really the only 2 reasons... Levels and breaches.

[wulfster42]

Thank god most of you were not around for the EA of PoE 1 (or the beta before it). It had less than 1/10th of the content (much less) released in PoE 2 and many problems as well. I don't remember if you HAD to buy an early access pack to be in it (I bought one, but may just have wanted to support the game), but what you got initially was much less than what we got now.

PoE 2 can, easilly, occupy you for 200 hours before you start getting bored and that is saying you don't try and at least make 1 character of each class (let alone ascension). End game isn't really meant to be played long term yet, alot of the parts of endgame that would make it fun, are not implemented/in game. Heck even the classes/ascensions that are out are missing a ton of stuff. Skills are not in, uniques are not in, tons of monsters/bosses are not in.

This is the bare bones, minimum, of what they considered was enough for EA.

Also they did not expect over 1 million people t buy EA packs and jump into the game. The expectation was somewhere between 100-200k, 1/10th to 1/5th as many players as they got.

If they really sold 1 million EA passes, they doubled their income from last year (or the last few years) just with that. I believe PoE 1 made like 22 million last year, and 1mill EA passes are at LEAST 30mill.

The game will be free when it releases and a whole new audience will join at that point. If you don't like the game now (or like me, don't want to risk your computer with the crashes), then just don't play for awhile till more is added and it's safer.

I still got a ton of playtime out of it before I decided it was too risky. WAY more time than other games (looking at you D4) that i payed over twice as much for. I'm happy with what I got, and I can be patient for things to get fixed/added.

Stop complaining about an EA that is already better, more fun, and lasts far longer than most games that cost twice as much as it cost to get into EA, let alone that it will be free eventually for everyone.

PoE 1 is still running and working fine, go play that if you want till PoE 2 is more complete. I can already see it has great potential, but it's potential, they need time to actually add everything. Could be a year or more. It will be worth the wait.