Does GGG hate casuals?

[Alek]

I really have the feeling thats kinda true.

Normal Campaign is waaaaaaaaaay harder than cruel.
Some classes are nearly impossible to start with, like warrior.
And if a casual really beat the campain he faces the true nightmare, the Endgame.
Every little mistake is punished absolutly brutal. Map lost, Loot on the ground lost, exp lost and lot of time wasted....

Shouldnt POE2 suppose to be more casual friendly because POE1 was to confusing for them? It feels like it got even worse for casuals

Am i wrong about it?

[Takkik]

jans_alter_ego lähetti viestin:

Being locked out of content I paid for sucks

We are in 2024 and you paid for an EA game at launch... next time wait for some review more gameplay video to decide ??? And I think there was lot of preview out there, enought to make a good decision.

It feel like you just want to consume content... and you bought an incomplete game... gg.

Not everybody want easy content to consume, and poe2 was never marketed like that. Not our fault or GGG if you bought wrong product.

[G-sai]

I am casual and im 1 tapiing t 15 map right now what are u talking about lol. 1st time ever i build my own build and its actually works not like in poe 1 when anything i do it just not working so i have to copy popular build.

Its so casual friendly i love this game.

[Dasmortas]

Numbers still high

But are dropping slowly as each day passes

[[STG] Dante]

Voice your concerns and issues with the game on their reddit/ discord. Also state where you are coming from, context always helps & might help you dodge a few strays from toxic positivity fanboys that want nothing changed or just made plain worse and less qol. I do believe they want to bridge the gap between poe 1 & more casual arpg's as a middle child for arpg. Easy to pick up but still has a high skill ceiling.

That being said we have too many games trying to appeal to everyone and that makes them too casual. Having anything hardcore is seen as a niche game nowadays when it really should be a big part of the gaming industry.

A lot of difficulty people are having is a problem in plain sight. Gear. You have to pay attention to gear levels, defenses, resistances. It's not explained well if at all & gear rng. The starting area definitely needs some gear tuning. It was a slog for my warrior until i got lucky with some gamba gear.

[SomewhatSolo]

STG Dante lähetti viestin:

Voice your concerns and issues with the game on their reddit/ discord. Also state where you are coming from, context always helps & might help you dodge a few strays from toxic positivity fanboys that want nothing changed or just made plain worse and less qol. I do believe they want to bridge the gap between poe 1 & more casual arpg's as a middle child for arpg. Easy to pick up but still has a high skill ceiling.

That being said we have too many games trying to appeal to everyone and that makes them too casual. Having anything hardcore is seen as a niche game nowadays when it really should be a big part of the gaming industry.

A lot of difficulty people are having is a problem in plain sight. Gear. You have to pay attention to gear levels, defenses, resistances. It's not explained well if at all & gear rng. The starting area definitely needs some gear tuning. It was a slog for my warrior until i got lucky with some gamba gear.

This should be your Topic answer.

[Alekero]

I thought we have like HARDCORE league and stuff where you can implement all your BDSM things you call hardcore. Standard should be for casuals too lol
Since its around 2025 and ppl growing up y'know. No one gonna nolife stuff they dont want to and since game didnt position itself as "hardcore only experience"...
It shouldnt be ez af tho just balanced.

[CyberOni]

MrButtermancer lähetti viestin:

Got great news for you.

There are ARPGs that are very suited to casual play.

Yes.... chase the casuals away its not like they don't make up like a 3rd of the games in-come , I work but thankfully I don't have a lot of commitments and can easily spend 2-4 hours playing so the games difficulty is not a problem for me once I got geared, but saying stupid ♥♥♥♥ like that is what kills games, casuals pay the bills since most casuals are the ones spending the most money on games because they simply earn more and have more to spend than the average no life ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that does nothing but spend their life in a make believe world thinking they're accomplishing something with their life.

I absolutely hate people that rag on casuals basically giving them the middle finger and telling them to F off this is what killed a game I used to play and it inevitably shut down because the in-come was not sufficient due to the only people that ended up still playing with those worthless delinquents or degenerates that dropped out off school and claimed social welfare because that was all they were good for.

So yeah don't chase away the people that eventually keeps POE 2's lights on.

[Jeron]

Poe 2 is suposed to be entry-friendly to casuals, to get into it.
Endgame in itself isn't casual.
Casuals finish a story and move on to the next game.

[Alek]

It feels Like Most people missed the importent part Here.
ITS Not about Warrior being useless, but Warrior being extrem hard to start with. Wirhout Gear Support. Wirhout group. SSF. There ist No other reason Warrior being so hard to start with except Bad Game Design. ITS Just Not fun and Casual want mostly fun in a Game. There dont have endless time to waste on Bad Game Design.


And the wirst part dont geht mentioned at all Here. EXTREMLY punishing Endgamr Design. Every little mistake ist a huuuuuge time waste in Endgamr. When even Poe Streamer speak Out about it, how do you think Casuals will think about it? They Just quit.

[i dont want to be around anymore]

I will tell you they hate melee players

I have seldom seen classes get shafted so hard in an ARPG

[mechyas]

play diablo 4 or git gud

[Alek]

mechyas lähetti viestin:

play diablo 4 or git gud

ITS Like the Game Designers from Concord. "ITS Not meant for you". Guess what happend to the Game?
Should i mention more examples?

Why are people Like to defend Bad, punishing and time wasting Game Designs so much?

[RancidRon]

And where do the people that like it difficult go? Casuals have plenty games for them already. Stop trying to make every game for you like a selfish child. It's ok if a game is not for me. There are plenty of games I know are not for me and wont go crying to their forums about how face roll they are. I'll just play other games.

[Selestiall]

.... lähetti viestin:

Not every game has to have max audience as target. It just doesn't work to please everyone.

Also i would argue that 80% of ppl complaining about difficulty Are undergeared, underleveled and maybe even use bad builds.

You can reset any map to farm bosses etc. There is a reason for that but the game should probably tell you better.

When you are in the process of leveling, especially when you are under level 50, you don't always necessarily have access to the best gear nor the means to acquire it without buying it from 3rd party websites.

[Beta Ray Shill]

RancidRon lähetti viestin:

And where do the people that like it difficult go?

They go play the same game on 'leet' difficulty or however they want to phrase it to feel 'superior' to those who aren't playing a video game at the same intensity/time commitment.

It's been a mechanic since the dawn of video games and is the least costly to implement in terms of code effort, and gives everyone the game they want via a dropdown option.

RancidRon lähetti viestin:

Casuals have plenty games for them already. Stop trying to make every game for you like a selfish child.

Selfishness is saying 'there can only be one difficulty, the one I like'. The opposite of that is allowing for both. Cheers.