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I think there was duo of optional bosses on desert that droped ultimatum token on first kill, but thats all.
To be honest, I guess that when you get a token for Sekhemas or Ultimatum on cruel, you'd better save it for much much later because they're way to random to waste.
Just be aware that even if they do drop in cruel, they won't necessarily be granting you ascendancy points. They have to be certain ilvls to grant points, it will tell you in the flavor text if it gives points or not.
I would recommend farming a bunch of the ones in the level ~50 range and practicing on them before you do the 3rd / 4th trials for ascendancy points.
Check the map zones on world map, I believe they tell you what level range they are. level 50 zones = level 50 ultimatums and barrya coins.
Any kind of boss type mob has a good chance of dropping them, the twins are acceptable to farm in act 2. It will be boring though.
From what I understand you aren't going to see them drop until around T8 on the Atlas.
are you talking about the 4th set of points? Those wont drop until T5 I believe but the 3rd set of points can drop in the regular cruel world zones on act 3.
I think its any zone that can drop ilvl 60 loot and above.