ARPGs and seasons, why?

[G3N3SIS]

So far the game feels awsome. Finisinhg cruel act 3 as monk and having blast. But one thing i'm curious about it is why arpgs have this season things that deletes everything and have to start over? Whats the point of it?

Its been literal decades since i played any arpg, my last one was diablo 2 back in the days, but had played a lot of rpgs and mmos over the years.

What is the benefit of having your character deleted and starting all over again?

For early access I understand. We are just testing the game. But after it launches, why?

If they want to try new things, change talents, rebalance the game, it shouldn't be necessary to start a character completely from scratch, have to drop gear again, go through the campaign again just to keep playing.

And I know you can continue playing in the previous league but the game itself is not made to be played like that since most players will migrate to new leagues dividing the player base.

Its not a rant, just trying to make my head over this. Loving the game, loving the classes, aesthetics, combat. Even the rng of the gear for me makes it exciting to try drop and making my own gear. Dont have any other rpgs or mmos right now that i wanted to test it, so for me POE2 its a huge win but i'm trying really hard to get over it that our characters get dusted from time to time only to start over again.

[chino]

Originally posted by 5ean5ean:

Originally posted by G3N3SIS:

So far the game feels awsome. Finisinhg cruel act 3 as monk and having blast. But one thing i'm curious about it is why arpgs have this season things that deletes everything and have to start over? Whats the point of it?

Its been literal decades since i played any arpg, my last one was diablo 2 back in the days, but had played a lot of rpgs and mmos over the years.

What is the benefit of having your character deleted and starting all over again?

For early access I understand. We are just testing the game. But after it launches, why?

If they want to try new things, change talents, rebalance the game, it shouldn't be necessary to start a character completely from scratch, have to drop gear again, go through the campaign again just to keep playing.

And I know you can continue playing in the previous league but the game itself is not made to be played like that since most players will migrate to new leagues dividing the player base.

Its not a rant, just trying to make my head over this. Loving the game, loving the classes, aesthetics, combat. Even the rng of the gear for me makes it exciting to try drop and making my own gear. Dont have any other rpgs or mmos right now that i wanted to test it, so for me POE2 its a huge win but i'm trying really hard to get over it that our characters get dusted from time to time only to start over again.

Its better this way. Leagues allow for a fresh trade economy, standard league always falls into hyper inflation. League Mechanics completely changes the way you play the game. It's pretty much a game within the game. It also gets incorporated into the campaign.

All they need to do is reduce the map sizes to cut the camapign length. Afterwhile you get very efficient at clearing the campaign.

If you don't want to start over just stay in standard league where it's stale and boring.

lol was too slow , saying exactly the same

[Constant_K]

Bit of a weird question OP. I mean because it's fun? People like it?

Imagine you never had a mango and then said "What's the deal with mangos? Why is everyone eating them?" Maybe eat a mango and see if you like it?

"Oh no I don't like mangos!"
"What don't you like about them?'
"Oh I never had one."
"...right."

[Dentin]

Originally posted by Constant_K:

Bit of a weird question OP. I mean because it's fun? People like it?

Fr, like...not trying judge but obviously new to the entire sub genre of these games. Cos
https://youtu.be/uelA7KRLINA?si=V7KQ3lWqtd3L-NoK

Originally posted by Medicles:

Originally posted by alan0n:

It is literally designed and built to be a slow dopamine drip feed that lasts forever. It has to repeat each season or it would eventually end.

If i recall correctly, Diablo 2 didnt have seasons at all during its lifetime. It does apparently have seasons now, but people played the game for decades without seasons and its almost the same design.

Except it did...like a 5 sec google search dude xD Like all the waaaay back in 2003 as a means to reset the ladder. That, and later the mods, are literally what has cemented that game in people's minds to this very day.

"The first of the ladder seasons began with the initial release of Patch 1.10 on October 28, 2003."
https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Ladder

[JudgeMental1337]

Originally posted by Ghostlight:

You are not forced to play seasons. You can just keep all your wealth and stick with Standard league. If there is a decent, scalable and repeatable endgame that still keeps your interest, Standard is fine and you can avoid seasons. I rarely do seasonal content yet I spent thousands of hours playing ARPGs. I still tweak and level those same chars I fell in love with years ago. No way I could be bothered starting another char from scratch with nothing in the stash and zero gold. To hell with that. I do not have the time.

Also the best ARPGs usually add all or some of the new seasonal content into standard when the season ends. PoE1 did that, not sure here.

Thank you, alone for this comment I continue playing. Because I HATE Seasons with changes that does NOT get transfered to standard League. I hope they will implement those changes atleast at the end of the season. I can´t be bothered creating a new character every 3-6 months.

I am an old Diablo 2 player too without any achievments, time on my steam account and no nothing, I guess I have over 2k hours there and it was never boring. This Implementation of seasons just shows what arpgs have become BUT I´m good IF we can choose If we are unemployed or play a game for fun I guess so does everybody have its own way of fun or his/her dopamin rush.

[Xaelon]

The thing about seasons in PoE is they always include weird new gameplay systems. Sometimes they're good. Sometimes they're bad.

But because they're added as seasonal content, rather than permanently, it gives GGG way more freedom to experiment. They can try new things and if people don't like them it only harms the current season, rather than the entire game. I'm sure you can see the value in being able to test things out without having to worry about longterm game balance right?

Likewise if you as a player don't enjoy a season's gimmick you can just come back next season and it'll probably be gone. Making everyone make a new character each season also ensures a level playing field too. Meaning if you take a break for a season or two you won't fall behind.

You can also just continue to play your character in standard too as some seasonal features are made into permanent ones, generally after being adjusted in some way. Granted Standard doesn't get new content as often but it remains an option.

[Machin Shin]

There are plenty of people ( normalos, casuals) who play Standard most of the time. The create many Classes and play there and need a year to get all of them high level, so you don't miss too much if you dont want to play Sessions. Its mainly for people who rush the game.

[Xariann]

I guess one could see it this way.

There are people who like permanent progress = standard league.

People who like new mechanics to keep the game fresh and restart every few months = seasonal league.

People who like a fresh experience often, and constantly like to work on new approaches, also like the leveling process = hardcore, start over after 1 death.

[Supa]

Because 99% of people who play these games longtime are rats who need their number reset to 0 so they can grind it up again.

Just look at poe1 in steamcharts. Game gets 200k players when a season starts and has only 10k left after 2 weeks into the season.

[Arngrim]

Seasons are great for everyone that wants a fresh economy and a go at the ladder.
It´s also a good way to experience the new mechanics and skill changes.

[cZ]

what do you talking about ? im loosing my progress and my char ? lol not rly?

[CriTical]

Originally posted by G3N3SIS:

So far the game feels awsome. Finisinhg cruel act 3 as monk and having blast. But one thing i'm curious about it is why arpgs have this season things that deletes everything and have to start over? Whats the point of it?

Its been literal decades since i played any arpg, my last one was diablo 2 back in the days, but had played a lot of rpgs and mmos over the years.

What is the benefit of having your character deleted and starting all over again?

For early access I understand. We are just testing the game. But after it launches, why?

If they want to try new things, change talents, rebalance the game, it shouldn't be necessary to start a character completely from scratch, have to drop gear again, go through the campaign again just to keep playing.

And I know you can continue playing in the previous league but the game itself is not made to be played like that since most players will migrate to new leagues dividing the player base.

Its not a rant, just trying to make my head over this. Loving the game, loving the classes, aesthetics, combat. Even the rng of the gear for me makes it exciting to try drop and making my own gear. Dont have any other rpgs or mmos right now that i wanted to test it, so for me POE2 its a huge win but i'm trying really hard to get over it that our characters get dusted from time to time only to start over again.

"why arpgs have this season things that deletes everything and have to start over? Whats the point of it?"

-Content

[CriTical]

Originally posted by cZ:

what do you talking about ? im loosing my progress and my char ? lol not rly?

lol yes devs said: """No, there will not be a wipe. We will do new leagues but none of your characters will be wiped, they will just go to a league called -->Early Access<-- (so they will never be in Standard). In some cases characters in old leagues might be somewhat broken by balance changes though. After launch the "Early Access" characters will still exist."""

so you can keep playing him later but on a death server without trading+++ bcs no1 can create an "EA character" after release.
this also mean you cant play your characters in standard league to play with friends beside Season league.. so you have to regrind at full release a new character to get him in standard league

[Drosta]

Originally posted by Medicles:

Originally posted by alan0n:

It is literally designed and built to be a slow dopamine drip feed that lasts forever. It has to repeat each season or it would eventually end.

If i recall correctly, Diablo 2 didnt have seasons at all during its lifetime. It does apparently have seasons now, but people played the game for decades without seasons and its almost the same design.

you recall wildly wrong.

[DaveDecay]

Originally posted by G3N3SIS:

So far the game feels awsome. Finisinhg cruel act 3 as monk and having blast. But one thing i'm curious about it is why arpgs have this season things that deletes everything and have to start over? Whats the point of it?

Season things does not delete everything, you can keep playing your character on standard league as long as you want to.

Originally posted by G3N3SIS:

What is the benefit of having your character deleted and starting all over again?

Some people enjoy making new characters, simple as that.

Originally posted by G3N3SIS:

For early access I understand. We are just testing the game. But after it launches, why?

Every season brings new content to the game, so the game evolves and changes over time. Some league mechanics gets implemented permanently, others don't. Atleast, that is how it is in POE1.

Originally posted by G3N3SIS:

If they want to try new things, change talents, rebalance the game, it shouldn't be necessary to start a character completely from scratch, have to drop gear again, go through the campaign again just to keep playing.

You don't have to start from scratch, you can play standard league.

Originally posted by G3N3SIS:

And I know you can continue playing in the previous league but the game itself is not made to be played like that since most players will migrate to new leagues dividing the player base.

If the game was not meant to played like that, then why does it have the standard league? Maybe because it is meant to played like that by the people that don't want to take part in the seasonal gameplay?

Its not a rant, just trying to make my head over this. Loving the game, loving the classes, aesthetics, combat. Even the rng of the gear for me makes it exciting to try drop and making my own gear. Dont have any other rpgs or mmos right now that i wanted to test it, so for me POE2 its a huge win but i'm trying really hard to get over it that our characters get dusted from time to time only to start over again. [/quote]
Cool that you are enjoying the game, so am I!

I suggest that you reconsider the basis of your concerns, then you might find that they are completely baseless. Your characters will never be deleted, like you say multiple times, while simultaneously, you say that you are aware that they won't be deleted. I don't know what you would call that, but I call it a contradiction. Not trying to an a s s, but you asked a question that has a false premise and therefore the answer you are seeking does not exist.

[Plum]

Originally posted by G3N3SIS:

So far the game feels awsome. Finisinhg cruel act 3 as monk and having blast. But one thing i'm curious about it is why arpgs have this season things that deletes everything and have to start over? Whats the point of it?

Its been literal decades since i played any arpg, my last one was diablo 2 back in the days, but had played a lot of rpgs and mmos over the years.

What is the benefit of having your character deleted and starting all over again?

For early access I understand. We are just testing the game. But after it launches, why?

If they want to try new things, change talents, rebalance the game, it shouldn't be necessary to start a character completely from scratch, have to drop gear again, go through the campaign again just to keep playing.

And I know you can continue playing in the previous league but the game itself is not made to be played like that since most players will migrate to new leagues dividing the player base.

Its not a rant, just trying to make my head over this. Loving the game, loving the classes, aesthetics, combat. Even the rng of the gear for me makes it exciting to try drop and making my own gear. Dont have any other rpgs or mmos right now that i wanted to test it, so for me POE2 its a huge win but i'm trying really hard to get over it that our characters get dusted from time to time only to start over again.

New league comes with new mechanics, fresh economy for those who trade, and a fresh race.