Hardcore is a joke?

[jungle ranger]

Why is this "Respawn at checkpoint" a thing? Defeats the whole purpose of hardcore. Just call it softcore + or something. Diablo 4 has those elixirs but they still don't let you just reset an entire boss fight.

So I guess D4 is more hardcore until POE fixes their game. Thought it was going to get good when they removed the logout macros but this is just the same thing under a new name.

[VoiD]

Publicado originalmente por jungle ranger:

Publicado originalmente por VoiD:

What's the difference? You could just relog anyway, it's an online game.
Exploits have always existed

Besides, most (all?) things that kill you do it in one shot anyway.

That's what they changed with POE2, if you rel-ogged you would get back into the same encounter. But with this mechanic, you get OUT of the encounter so you can farm better gear or reset potions or whatever.

Ah, makes sense

[Aetik]

In the first game people used log-off scripts, hardcore players in poe are not really hardcore players, because they pull out when it gets tight.
One thing Diablo 3 made better, 10 seconds logout time, well they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up with the free 1up passive on the other side...

[Marauder]

95% of people complaining about hardcore in any ARPG do not play it and are grasping for ways to cope with a self-imposed inferiority complex. Like there's some FOMO even when you the game is exactly the same otherwise

Literally every single ARPG has some group of people complaining about why the ARPG they are playing's hardcore mode "isn't really hardcore"

Like it's ok bro, play softcore no one looks down on you for it, the reason people play hardcore is to feel more invested and excited in a fight. It adds that even if it's not the perfectly devised system you have in your head

[RedShirt]

In POE people would just alt F4 for quite some time. Not much of a difference.

[5ean5ean]

You have to be a psycho to play this game hardcore right now.

[DirtyMick]

Huh? When you die and respawn, you're no longer in hardcore. It moves you to softcore. You lost. Thats hardcore. Now you can continue in softcore if you want, but if you wanna play hardcore, which i assume you do if you're playing hardcore, that char is dead to you. Your hardcore run is over.

Idk, i think im misunderstanding the post lol. My bad. You say respawn at checkpoint, so I'm assuming you died? Respawn suggests dying. When you respawn, you are now on softcore.

[gamer4lifeUP]

I only play hardcore. I'm in my third marriage and have four kids. I'm used to pain.

I press Escape when I quit the game. Today I got critically hit by a crossbow bolt from a random mob after I was exposed to two unavoidable explosions. Has that urn always been there? Such a small and easy-to-miss thing. Urns... my true enemies!

[Mia Wallace]

using esc and respawn is your thing ? You can do it if u want otherwise dont do it.
Who gives a f. about leaderboard in a EA game anyways ?
sounds like a strange complex...

[ᗜˬᗜ Crossek ᗜˬᗜ]

Publicado originalmente por Overeagerdragon:

Wait... Hardcore in PoE2 doesn't lock your character upon death? Isn't that just Ruthless mode at that point ?

it does - he didnt explain so i will - there is thing that u can pause game any time right?

so guess what streamers do - when they see they are about to die they click escape->respawn at checkpoint and they are safe again

[Mia Wallace]

Publicado originalmente por ᗜˬᗜ Crossek ᗜˬᗜ:

Publicado originalmente por Overeagerdragon:

Wait... Hardcore in PoE2 doesn't lock your character upon death? Isn't that just Ruthless mode at that point ?

it does - he didnt explain so i will - there is thing that u can pause game any time right?

so guess what streamers do - when they see they are about to die they click escape->respawn at checkpoint and they are safe again

And whats the problem ? If you want to play real hardcore u can still do it. If ppl want to play the way you mentioned -> they can....

[Three-Headed-Monkey]

Publicado originalmente por ᗜˬᗜ Crossek ᗜˬᗜ:

so guess what streamers do - when they see they are about to die they click escape->respawn at checkpoint and they are safe again

i dont think anyone who is playing on hardcore dies because of missing flask charges (which would be the only point of respawning at the checkpoint), but rather due to something unexpected like 1 hits, where a "return to checkpoint" is not going to help at all.

log out scripts in poe 1 were a lot worse

[Rankiry]

HC is always about finding way of survivle what ever fit, how about we erase your memory about boss so every time you have to relearn its pattern and dont know what to expect.
Mechanics you are trying to remove always existed in HC gamings - it is part of HC player skill set to know when to exit.
If flasks let you down, and you managed to survive to learnthat you are not ready - it is only fair there is retreat option to rethink strategy. If you died during retreat , or decided to be greedy and finish boss's last 5% with zero flask - it is fair if you died. Beside - in multiplayer there is NO easy panic button - character still stays for few seconds when you leave and those can be fatal.

What i would like to complain about is with how brutal and gear dependant poe2 is, we HC players already in a tight spot. Honestly for gameplay this game offers i am suprised there is no panic mechanics built int to gameplay already - like say : turn me in to stone for 5 sec and give damage immunity once every 60 sec cd. We are already specing full defence to survive and sometimes even that is not enought - go figure, and you are asking to remove one of the corner stone Tool of HC survivle , this way most HC players wont ever even see some content .

[just.dont.do.it]

It wasn't any different in PoE1.

Only a fixed logout time D3/4-style can deal with this "exploit". But then HC people will be dying on most accidental disconnections.

[MOSLEY]

Publicado originalmente por VoiD:

Publicado originalmente por jungle ranger:

Why is this "Respawn at checkpoint" a thing? Defeats the whole purpose of hardcore. Just call it softcore + or something. Diablo 4 has those elixirs but they still don't let you just reset an entire boss fight.

So I guess D4 is more hardcore until POE fixes their game. Thought it was going to get good when they removed the logout macros but this is just the same thing under a new name.

What's the difference? You could just relog anyway, it's an online game.
Exploits have always existed

Besides, most (all?) things that kill you do it in one shot anyway.

Most online games have a timer if you aren't logging out in a safe place.

[Gharbouch]

Publicado originalmente por Trolleur_Durden:

I tried to respawn at a checkpoint with a HC character, and there's like a second of unpause before the respawn is triggered, which was more than enough for my character to die. I really hope it's a feature and not a bug!

Press pause again after you press respawn to checkpoint, it will pause the game for that extra second