I think the concept of Early Access has been forgotten...

[Is It?]

The amount of whining, complaining and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at the GGG devs is.. well ok, unsurprising, given the mentality of people in this day and age. Complaining about balance, difficulty, monitisation. The last part is a necessary evil, f2p don't pay for themselves, and PoE is largely cosmetic, therefore completely your choice.

What I get so tired of is the whining. The game is not even a week old and already I see rage quitting, refund requests, 'too difficult' etc etc. Why not do what you're SUPPOSED to do in an EA game, and give constructive feedback?

I also hear complaints that players give feedback and then GGG do their own thing. It's THEIR game though... your feedback is likely taken into consideration, but ultimately it's up to them what to fix, update and remove. Feedback is important but... there are MANY opinions that don't align with yours.

PoE had exactly the same issues back in the day. 10 years from now PoE2 will have so many build guides and other 3rd party tools that, when PoE3 comes out, people will be wondering why isn't it like PoE2....

Remember. YOU made the choice to pay for early access. You KNEW what you were signing up for.

[drakk]

most are here because a youtuber chooses their games for them; let some time pass and they will quickly go cry on the next one they are asked to buy.
it's the same scene with each new banger.

[Is It?]

Originally posted by drakk:

most are here because a youtuber chooses their games for them; let some time pass and they will quickly go cry on the next one they are asked to buy.
it's the same scene with each new banger.

Thing is, many (not all) criticisms are perfectly valid, but delivered in a 'I t's not FAAAIR' manner. I guess kids these days think that's how they get what they want....

[JordanAveryG93]

Coming from someone who is usually against paying for an unfinished product (especially if it'll be free eventually) I completely agree.

I haven't played an ARPG in years but I don't understand the complaints about difficulty or loot at all. So far i'm kinda cruising through act 1 & have no regrets in paying the $30

[ClAyMoRe*]

Hard to give constructive criticism when answer is , get good, have you tried dodge rolling, skill issue and people who play meta builds telling how you are wrong, or simply some elitists.
There is plenty of good criticism as there is bad, but it is hard to engage in discussions and stay sane when you have so many people spewing gibberish, not that many people will will stay to argue to death.

[Aetik]

To be fair Path of Exile didnt feel that bad on beta release.
There are three big problems the game has right now, pacing, difficulty and drops.
Those are huge problems because it is a much bigger part then the story in this genre of games, which is amazing. Even technicaly the game performes great, sure some dx12 crashes are annoying, but thanks to checkpoints it isnt that big of a deal.
Balancing is a rather hard thing, and knowing ggg for over 10 years i know they ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS make new content much harder then it should be, but you are right it is an early access, but part of EA is that people complain about stuff which has to change. Even me as a big ggg supporter think that to this point of time poe2 doesnt feel right, and they have a lot of work to do, because right now it feels like ruthless.

[Phishfood]

The risk and reward of early access for the developers is this: if players are enjoying what they have you get funding to keep your game development going, if players hate what they have then you'll have negative reviews that will weigh down the games visibility and hype.

It's up to the developers to give us something we enjoy even if it's incomplete.

[vukotlak]

Originally posted by Is It?:

What I get so tired of is the whining. The game is not even a week old and already I see rage quitting, refund requests, 'too difficult' etc etc. Why not do what you're SUPPOSED to do in an EA game, and give constructive feedback?

Actualy the game isn'T even a week old. It's not released yet. It is a EA in development game.

[Koala 4peace]

Not a fan of the early access thing. I understand it for small developers, which GGG has not been for a while.

But anyway, here i am enjoying PoE 2, so can't complain. XD

Anyway, we all know for sure how to improve the games we play. Pity that we cannot actually agree on it. :P

[Constant_K]

They literally need people to complain that's the whole point?

What they don't need is fanboi bootlickers.

[Koala 4peace]

Originally posted by Is It?:

Originally posted by drakk:

most are here because a youtuber chooses their games for them; let some time pass and they will quickly go cry on the next one they are asked to buy.
it's the same scene with each new banger.

Thing is, many (not all) criticisms are perfectly valid, but delivered in a 'I t's not FAAAIR' manner. I guess kids these days think that's how they get what they want....

This. There is a difference between being critical and being an arse.

[Is It?]

Originally posted by vukotlak:

Originally posted by Is It?:

What I get so tired of is the whining. The game is not even a week old and already I see rage quitting, refund requests, 'too difficult' etc etc. Why not do what you're SUPPOSED to do in an EA game, and give constructive feedback?

Actualy the game isn'T even a week old. It's not released yet. It is a EA in development game.

Fair comment. I meant to say it's less than a week old in EA. I think this was a very good and clever move, but I suspect it was even more popular than GGG ever expected. After all, they could have just released the game F2P in EA, bu imagine the flow of 'feedback' but a hundredfold...

[Is It?]

Originally posted by Constant_K:

They literally need people to complain that's the whole point?

What they don't need is fanboi bootlickers.

Complaining is one thing. Whining like children is quite another. Devs crave valuable feedback. It's how they make their game palatable to the majority of players. They'll sift through the whining for sure, but its WAY easier for them to read WHY the dodgeroll sucks and possible solutions to it rather than the vitriolic complaining of the utterly entitled.

[WereChicken]

I find it ironic that OP is whining about people whining at the devs, considering people whining at the devs Is a MAJOR part of early access. How else are they going to know what's bad and what people want more of genius? Should they use telepathy, or is it you think you're a special ickle snowflake who should be the only one whose opinion they should consider?

It sounds more like OP doesn't understand what early access is.

[Is It?]

Originally posted by Koala 4peace:

Not a fan of the early access thing. I understand it for small developers, which GGG has not been for a while.

But anyway, here i am enjoying PoE 2, so can't complain. XD

Anyway, we all know for sure how to improve the games we play. Pity that we cannot actually agree on it. :P

Hot take here, but it's not up to players to agree on anything - we just say what we think should change, and if the majority agree, then GGG MIGHT implement it. They might not. IT's up to them. But it definitely should not be improved purely by committee.

[♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Turbo]

I noticed a lot of time ago that people are not actually smart at all. Honestly the best course of action is to ignore them, let them screech and cry like 5 year olds and just listen to the articulate and constructive critics. It's a mass of really stupid and entitled sheep.