geonor might be easy for poe 1 veterans...but not for people who are new to poe..

[Geschnetzeltes]

First of all.. i played poe1.but only until act 3 or so ( its been a while cant remember) and none of the bosses in these acts was as terrible as geonor in poe act1.

This boss is absolutely atrocious.
Im playing frost sorc. i also upgraded to 70% cold resistance just for this boss. but the frigging fog phase is the worst. cant dodge becuz getting blocked by the adds..cant get ennough spells casted to get rid of them, because im permanently forced to smash the space bar to dodgeroll ( yes i went with cast time reduction/ cast speed, doesnt help much),also no indicator which direction the boss will jump out of the fog.

im pretty sure hes much easier with other classes and builds ..but i am not one of those classes..and im not respeccing a complete build for one ♥♥♥♥ boss, just to respecc back after it.

this is probably the most annoying boss i had in a game in ages.

i googled it for the last hour..and a LOT of people having issues witht he boss..while some other people be like " lol git gud scrub, killed him first try not even using potions"...i have no idea what crazy builds those people came up with..feels like they play a whole different game/ different boss here. hence me stating in the title, that some nerd with 2k hours in poe2 prolly has a very very easy time to cheese that boss with some build specifically for him...but keep forgettting that not everyone who started poe2 yesterday..is a poe1 veteran.

thx for coming to my ted talk.

[5P4RK4]

the mist phase has a telegraph but its not an obvious one. he comes out after the stanza is done, its a poem / its a rythmn. just gotta listen and pay attention and go with the 'beat' and you'll get it. focus your damage on the adds and keeping an area clear for yourself. you'll get it! this took me quite a while tbh.

you can either just keep slamming it til you get it, or go back and farm the manor for a while, your xp gain will still be strong for a fair number of levels. This is a 'gateway' boss to the rest of the game, it doesnt get any easier.

[ClAyMoRe*]

Originally posted by UnknownOne:

Spend more time farming. You'll get it. My warrior, warriors being regarded as the worst class, solos all the bosses without issue.

I am actually planning to play warrior next, Want to see if it is actually worse then pure minion witch build, hard to imagine it being the case, but lets see.

[ssj grumpig]

Originally posted by 5P4RK4:

the mist phase has a telegraph but its not an obvious one. he comes out after the stanza is done, its a poem / its a rythmn. just gotta listen and pay attention and go with the 'beat' and you'll get it. focus your damage on the adds and keeping an area clear for yourself. you'll get it! this took me quite a while tbh.

This is a good tip, forgot about that part lol that's exactly how I timed my dodges as well

[Vespertellino]

Originally posted by ClAyMoRe*:

Originally posted by UnknownOne:

Spend more time farming. You'll get it. My warrior, warriors being regarded as the worst class, solos all the bosses without issue.

I am actually planning to play warrior next, Want to see if it is actually worse then pure minion witch build, hard to imagine it being the case, but lets see.

Nah minion witch is the strongest early from what I've seen

[.pl]

Originally posted by Geschnetzeltes:

Originally posted by Le Toucan:

Yeah I'm clearly trolling when I'm trying to say that observing the fight and learning patterns will help you beat the boss
Thank you for the insight buddy

You guys need a separate forum where you can gather together and pat each other on the back for how harsh and unfair the game was for you
W/o any "trolls" that will give you proper advices

i dont know if you cant read.

the problem is NOT any movement pattern of the boss itself.

the PROBLEM is how the fog phase works. there is no big brain patterns to learn. you either have a build that is capable of killing the adds very very fast so u can dodgeroll like champ..or u dont.

or you have a built that puts so much dps into the boss that you onnly have to deal with 1 fog phase and be bale to kill those adss very very fast to be able to dogeroll like a champ.

you keep blaming it on " you dont observe the boss movement pattenrs and timing"..which isnt the fault here at all XD

you are clearly either trolling and ragebaiting..or u lack reading-comprehension skills.

Or maybe - just maybe - you are refusing any way to help you and to try different approaches rather relying on instantly insulting people that might want to help you even in the first post of yours?

As a context: I am not a path of exile veteran - I played the game ones for the story and got trashed around the end and stopped. So no, no "big brain veteran ez mode" for me my friend. I am also not a "nolife git gud" gamer with capital G that somehow beats Elden Ring naked and blindfolded.

I fought against the boss with a minion witch that relied HEAVY on unearths minion spawn (that needs enemy bodies) and the spread of DoT damage. So ... basically "unplayable" against a boss that only gives a limited window to get those adds that might even despawn before the fog phase is over.

And I am here to tell you, taking that d gladly into my mouth if it means arguing against your insulting self-righteous screeching, that YES: "Just" dodge! It is not that hard!

Now, you might already write your answer without reading further and as such ignoring the marks around "just" - because yes, it does need a little bit of awareness of a few things. For you, I explicitely started this boss fight again and didn't deal any damage in the fog phase. So here we go:

a) you have 5 seconds - not random but exactly 5 seconds - between every jump of the boss. Those are 5 seconds to act against the adds, by for example slowing or freezing them ... damn! If there would be JUST the class and skills to do this to the adds - maybe something snowy or freezy-like... puh, bad luck I guess.

b) You don't need "smelly gamer poe 1 skills" here (since those actually dont help - poe 2 boss design is quite different to many bosses in poe 1) or a "git gud antagonist": The only thing you need is to know how melee enemies and circles work.
You know, like is relevant in a new genre of games around a vampire that wants to survive mostly in pixel art? That is explicitely for "casuals"?
Melee enemies need to come into close combat with you. If you run away from them, they have to make a trail of enemies behind you. which means, that most enemies are behind you and only 1-2 will come from the opposite site. Not enough to "BoDybLocK!!!!!!" you.
Do this around the outer ring of the fog arena and now you only have to dodge in one direction. They come too close? dodge away from them. The only thing you have to remember is that the boss will appear after 5 seconds. THEN you dodge in that one direction that is open to you.
in most cases, this is enough to evade the boss no matter where he comes from (and if you have a movement speed buff you dont even have to dodge - you outrun him).
Add to this 1-2 slowing or freezing spells and you should be good to go.

c) Lets say you still struggle with him because "BuT mY BuIlD Is IcE aNd I doNT wAnnA cHANge!!!!!!!!" - lets be actually factual here: you are not even close in level at which your passive skills matter to the point that you "need" to respec or start new. And "changing your class" is not a thing with easy to swap gems. You only need to swap out 1-2 skills that might help you + maybe 1-2 items for the moment. They dont even have to be contrary to your build theme: Frost mages for example can help in controlling the adds AND they are ice themed AND help with freezing and slowing: Only 1 gem + 1 support gem and 1 scepter to get spirit (which might even give you free minions for the fog fight). Or 1 support gem or skill that augments your ice skills.
This is what I for example did: Flame Wall in, unearth out = more damage with my projectiles and DoT while I avoided the boss. Let me guess: You are now typing how "YoU aRe NOt a WiTch! AnD dOnT wannA Use FLamE wALL!!! -good news! this is just an example of multiple ways to change the approach. Because the fact is: YOU are PLAYING the CLASS that has it the EASIEST! See point d))

d) Yes, there is a difference between constructive criticism and we indeed dont need more "git gud *snort*" Gamers in the world - good god did we get enough of such insecure losers through elden ring ...

In this case: Only because "google says so" doesn't mean that a lot: google and youtube also said that Cyberpunk 2077 is "worse than even No Man Sky at release!" and yet most actual gamers evalutated the game in the upper 70% to lower 80% even after release as could be seen by metacritic and steam. The internet said that "Margit is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and unfair and against newcomers" ... and yet he now stands as a good example of how to introduce the open world and souls-genre in Elden Ring to a new audience.

Secondly: YES! The boss IS not good designed! BUT that does not mean that you are right! Because the reason is a different one: The boss is indeed good designed as a boss fight in and of itself (yes even the fog phase on not "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" but at worst average - I would be happy if GGG would introduce an indicator for the boss in this phase because I just think that this is good, modern game design. Nobody should fail a boss in the first try just because an attack is not telegraphed).
Arguing that a build like pure ice might have more issues because of factor X or Y is also not the issue: This is a stable of the genre in which random suffixes and elemental resistances and stuff like more open and more closed areas exist. Go, ask a Hammadin how he feels about a infamous grotto in D2. This is also not some "old-timey" thing: Some bosses in modern games like Elden Ring are easier or harder if you are a mage or a fighter. Some Monsters in Monster Hunter are easier with a Heavy Bow Gun instead of an Insect Glaive. Some starter pokemon is worse against the first arena than others.
No, the issue with this fight and many boss fights in PoE 2 lies in the fact that melee builds (warriors and monks) are drastically opposite to the way GGG seems to invision the boss fights: They heavily favour ranged builds that can indeed take their time with dodging and staying away from enemies. Melee fighters have to deal with the same massive damage but need to get close to the boss. Like for example the point b) and c) I mentioned: A melee fighter cant kite the adds, because to do so and still have the advantage of an easy dodge against the boss, he needs to do exactly the opposite of ALL his skills which mostly force you towards the adds, so you can be easily surrounded. And they also cant as easily change their skills to still adhere to their core values: You as a sorceress cast spells - limiting yourself to ice was your own choice, not that of your class. And swapping out 1-2 skills doesn't change the feel of your class drastically for this fight (see the example with the frost mages or adding one additional non-ice spell which is still a spell and doesn't need to be the opposite form like fire). Recommending a melee class to suddenly change to bow and arrow or spells on the other hand destroys the reason whiy people choose classes like warrior as an archetype in the first place. And THAT is not good.
You on the other hand already play one of the classes that is heavily favoured by the game.

[Vespertellino]

Originally posted by .pl:

Or maybe - just maybe - you are refusing any way to help you and to try different approaches rather relying on instantly insulting people that might want to help you even in the first post of yours?

Naaah you're jumping to conclusions too quickly

[ClAyMoRe*]

Originally posted by Le Toucan:

Originally posted by ClAyMoRe*:

I am actually planning to play warrior next, Want to see if it is actually worse then pure minion witch build, hard to imagine it being the case, but lets see.

Nah minion witch is the strongest early from what I've seen

Strongest hmm , k I will give you my build , no raging spirt or firewall, I guess raging spirit could be kidna passs , but not really ,but if you really think that puire minion with that I mean real minion build not relying on completely different skills is strong I want you to try it and show me .

[Vespertellino]

Originally posted by ClAyMoRe*:

Originally posted by Le Toucan:

Nah minion witch is the strongest early from what I've seen

Strongest hmm , k I will give you my build , no raging spirt or firewall, I guess raging spirit could be kidna passs , but not really ,but if you really think that puire minion with that I mean real minion build not relying on completely different skills is strong I want you to try it and show me .

So you're telling me you intentionally cripple yourself out of strong options? You make no sense

[Sandre]

seriously it is not so so hard it is good enough.
i almost never played poe1 13h lol so i try 4 times i die 4 times
i ll go back and farm upgrades now i solo it 2 times in a row.
take your time

[RawMeatDiet]

It will be easier once there's more videos on youtube of gameplay.

[Valravn]

So basically you need to adapt to be able the beat the boss, what's wrong with that?
So far this is my fav boss, really well designed imho.

[DangerMoth]

i was stuck on this boss, swapped my passive tree to the most immediately strong things close to the base and have been doing great ever since, dont be afraid to use orbs to add an extra modifier to your equpment

[ClAyMoRe*]

Originally posted by Le Toucan:

Originally posted by ClAyMoRe*:

Strongest hmm , k I will give you my build , no raging spirt or firewall, I guess raging spirit could be kidna passs , but not really ,but if you really think that puire minion with that I mean real minion build not relying on completely different skills is strong I want you to try it and show me .

So you're telling me you intentionally cripple yourself out of strong options? You make no sense

No I am not, difference is I do not look up other people OP builds that are overtuned to make claims about how things are easy.
You see, I play class and class has specific focus, as main focus , ofc you can go out of the way and make build to your liking, but you should never have situation where main focus of class is just garbage level and you have to spec out of it , look up people build who made op build to play the game.

[Vespertellino]

Originally posted by Valravn:

So basically you need to adapt to be able the beat the boss, what's wrong with that?
So far this is my fav boss, really well designed imho.

Fr, it's awesome

[Geschnetzeltes]

Originally posted by Le Toucan:

Originally posted by Geschnetzeltes:

man. i repeat for like the 6th time in this threat ( you apparently have a real hard time reading things annd understanding what those written words mean) so i make it very easy to read and understand..just for you,

1. you can only dodge in the fog phase..when you arent bodyblocked by the adds
2. you can only kill those adds in a timely fashion to be able to reliably dodge the boss..with the right class/build
3. thats not a skill gap of reaction time and pressing the right button. when the bodyblock rng of those adds is nothing u can do much about except..being able to kill them in a timely fashion ( or crowd control the ♥♥♥♥ out of them) or..not.

and to refresh your memory...read..the title of this thread.

im am very sure for a poe1 vet ..this is easy peezy lemon squeeezy. to figure out what specc/class to use to have an easy time.

but oh quelle surprise..for some funny reason this long announced an hyped game called poe2..has a lot of non poe1 veterans playing it right now..and being stuck on that excact boss phase.
for a more casualy friendly version of poe ( which poe2 apparently is supposed to be) its pretty hilarious to block progress by putting a specc/gear check roadblock like this at the end of frigging act 1.

this might be incomprehensible gibberish to you with prolly 5k hours in poe1.. but that is a real problem.
god, just google how many people are stuck on that boss simply because of that fog phase. and NO for most its not an issue of reaction time, dodging, movenst skills, and reading the boss patterns....it is how the fog phase works which is just atrocious for a lot of classes and specs esp from people who have not much experience with poe1 in general.
and now stop being an elitist dimwit.

thx

Buddy I have 130hrs in poe1, most players won't even consider me a rookie in that game, nor that it ever helped me here, because the combat is very different in it's approach

And no matter what you say, it doesn't change the fact that you can dodge his stuff, time his stuff, and generally get good at the fight, which will help you overcome it

The fact that you're in such a hard denial is just sad, maybe this game isn't for you

i think the one in denial here..is you.

you deny understanding what im trying to say. you cant just " dodge" easily when rng says " no"..if u took your time reading the whole threat here...there is people having the same issue to a more or lesser degree with that " dodge during fog phase" for various reasons.

..but u can just ignore them , same as u ignore every attempt of me trying to explaint he issue to you. and same as you obviously ignored my suggestion to maybe check google about peoples opinion of this specific boss because then you might prolly realise that there is indeed an obvious issue with that one phase of one certain boss in early poe2 gameplay.

anyhows. it a big waste of time even typing words in a reply to you. you have your mind set to whatever you think is right.

glhf