geonor might be easy for poe 1 veterans...but not for people who are new to poe..

[Geschnetzeltes]

First of all.. i played poe1.but only until act 3 or so ( its been a while cant remember) and none of the bosses in these acts was as terrible as geonor in poe act1.

This boss is absolutely atrocious.
Im playing frost sorc. i also upgraded to 70% cold resistance just for this boss. but the frigging fog phase is the worst. cant dodge becuz getting blocked by the adds..cant get ennough spells casted to get rid of them, because im permanently forced to smash the space bar to dodgeroll ( yes i went with cast time reduction/ cast speed, doesnt help much),also no indicator which direction the boss will jump out of the fog.

im pretty sure hes much easier with other classes and builds ..but i am not one of those classes..and im not respeccing a complete build for one ♥♥♥♥ boss, just to respecc back after it.

this is probably the most annoying boss i had in a game in ages.

i googled it for the last hour..and a LOT of people having issues witht he boss..while some other people be like " lol git gud scrub, killed him first try not even using potions"...i have no idea what crazy builds those people came up with..feels like they play a whole different game/ different boss here. hence me stating in the title, that some nerd with 2k hours in poe2 prolly has a very very easy time to cheese that boss with some build specifically for him...but keep forgettting that not everyone who started poe2 yesterday..is a poe1 veteran.

thx for coming to my ted talk.

[Vespertellino]

Originally posted by nerdyOtaku:

If you have played other ARPGs like Diablo 4 and Last Epoch, I don't think Geonor is difficult. Don't be in a hurry to try to rush to defeat him. Take your time to observe the attack patterns, listen for audio clues to predict the big attacks. Took me 3 tries before I defeated him with my Monk.

Nah buddy it's rng, no amount of observation will help that

[Vespertellino]

It's all a big evil scheme to make OP's specific build miserable against this boss

[Aynen]

Originally posted by Lyote:

Originally posted by Geschnetzeltes:

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i am NOT a fire crossbow witch . im a frost sorc. big difference.
i dont even know what the heck a crossbow fire witch specc is supposed to be.

maybe by pure rng your weird build is randomly decent against this boss.

there is a reason , loads of people are stuck on him. i went for a specific frost build, because it is fun to play and clap hordes of mobs ( didnt have any issues whatsoever with the other bosses so far)

my whole point is...it sucks that you have to use some specific builds for the act 1 boss because otherwise the difficulty level on that boss is outrageously over the top compared to the whole campaign of act 1..for certain classes/builds.

its just no bueno.

I would imagine that it is exactly as the name suggests.
That being, a Witch shooting a crossbow and utilizing fire skills/bolts.

I did that fight as a pure minion Witch build.
Sceptre/Tower Shield.
My main DPS spell does a whopping 30 AOE dps. (Unearth)

All of the bosses I've fought so far have required me to observe what they are doing and respond appropriately.

Failure to observe and react accordingly is what makes the fight harder for yourself.

You can change your skills freely. Take advantage of that.
If the boss isn't giving you many openings, consider using skills like Ember Fusilade and other delayed/instant skills.

You may not be specced to make perfect use of such alternative skills, but it doesn't make that much difference in the end as all youre doing is trading raw damage you can't apply for lesser damage that you CAN apply.

I got a very similar build to yours. Unearth, skeletons, scepter and shield. Talent-wise I went for a lot of energy shield and recharge on top of that. I'm stuck at the Gaenor fight. Just not doing enough damage to his considerable hp-pool. Eventually I just run out of health potions. So I end up grinding for better gear which is taking forever. It's rather ruining the experience for me now. Too much, you know?

[Arthrex]

All I have seen/read so far is OP blaming everything except their own skill... Yeah, people's mentality nowadays.

As for the guy he quoted in the last post;

It shows that he doesn't know a whole lot about PoE as a whole. Otherwise he wouldn't say that armor matters... (Hint; It does not. x% of physical damage reduction is not accurate and never was) This is further proven by their assumption that a big skill tree equals equally valid choices. That was also never the case. It's the illusion of choice. There is a reason why in PoE 1, which has a SMALLER tree, people tell to do whatever on the first char and to delete it afterwards because you can and WILL do it wrong. The difference is that in PoE 2 you can easily undo those mistakes through gold.

Also imagine grinding in an ARPG. Couldn't be me. Guess Diablo really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up the perception of most people in the genre... Go back and play Titan Quest or Sacred. You will cry.

[Vespertellino]

Lol yes I remember meeting hard counter bosses in the last acts of Titan Quest, actually having to start a new char, that was miserable

[ClAyMoRe*]

Originally posted by Geschnetzeltes:

Originally posted by Le Toucan:

You don't have to kill adds, they disappear with the fog

are u trolling me?

there are loads of wolfs during the fog phase...and U CANT dodge reliably when surrounded by them because they bodyblock you.

dont u think i just tried to dodge until that pahse ends? sometimes it works by pure rng..sometimes it doesnt. and there not only 1 fog phase...there is multiple...

There is just 1 phase if your damage is good with good build, that where the difference comes, it is very hard fight if you do not have damage, it is very easy fight if you do.
Do not feed that troll

[Vespertellino]

Originally posted by ClAyMoRe*:

Originally posted by Geschnetzeltes:

are u trolling me?

there are loads of wolfs during the fog phase...and U CANT dodge reliably when surrounded by them because they bodyblock you.

dont u think i just tried to dodge until that pahse ends? sometimes it works by pure rng..sometimes it doesnt. and there not only 1 fog phase...there is multiple...

There is just 1 phase if your damage is good with good build, that where the difference comes, it is very hard fight if you do not have damage, it is very easy fight if you do.
Do not feed that troll

Yeah I'm clearly trolling when I'm trying to say that observing the fight and learning patterns will help you beat the boss
Thank you for the insight buddy

You guys need a separate forum where you can gather together and pat each other on the back for how harsh and unfair the game was for you
W/o any "trolls" that will give you proper advices

[pasieking]

I was stuck on Blackjaw in Act3 now - I have 60% pdr, 50% evade, Blind on hit, and he can still two-hit-ko (combo of his ..) me after he is lowered below 70% hp. And somewhat decent weapon. Gonna go progress other stuff, come back later.

[ClAyMoRe*]

Originally posted by Geschnetzeltes:

are u trolling me?

there are loads of wolfs during the fog phase...and U CANT dodge reliably when surrounded by them because they bodyblock you.

dont u think i just tried to dodge until that pahse ends? sometimes it works by pure rng..sometimes it doesnt. and there not only 1 fog phase...there is multiple...

There is just 1 phase if your damage is good with good build, that where the difference comes.
It is very hard fight if you do not have damage, it is very easy fight if you do.
Do not feed that troll

[Geschnetzeltes]

Originally posted by ssj grumpig:

For the add phase, I kept the frost bomb circle rolling and spammed ice nova between dodge spam. Don't look for a tell when Geonor jumps out of the fog, try to get a sense for the timing instead and just dodge to the side that has more space when you think he's coming. Mostly keep moving in a circle and don't get locked down.

i tried that. but frost bomb takes too long to go boom. and ice nova isnt dealing enough dmg , maybe i need more int or spell damage ..but that would mean i have to farm previous levels for some random rng gear drop..or farm a lot of gold and get lucky to get the right gear at the vendors :/

i think Placenta Salad hit the nail on the head with his comment here. the act1 boss fight shows a flaw in poe2s balancing approach as it is in its current state. lucky its early access. so things will get finetuned. if ggg wnats poe2 to be more casual friendly..dont put a roadblock like act1 boss into EARLY game.

im mostly annoyed by some people just lacking the comprehension of this flaw.and putting the blame on every casualy arpg enjoyer that is not well experienced with poe1 ( i even put that inn the frigging title of this thread, for petes sake..)

[Vespertellino]

Originally posted by pasieking:

I was stuck on Blackjaw in Act3 now - I have 60% pdr, 50% evade, Blind on hit, and he can still two-hit-ko (combo of his ..) me after he is lowered below 70% hp. And somewhat decent weapon. Gonna go progress other stuff, come back later.

Blackjaw is really easy if you keep close to him and jump behind his back when he starts his 3-hit combo, he's barely a threat at that point, you should try it, and good luck!

[Lord Bullingdon]

PoE 1 veteran here: Geonor was a BS fight. Wait until you get to Rath. The bosses aren't fun in this. Just very tedious.

[Arthrex]

Originally posted by pasieking:

I was stuck on Blackjaw in Act3 now - I have 60% pdr, 50% evade, Blind on hit, and he can still two-hit-ko (combo of his ..) me after he is lowered below 70% hp. And somewhat decent weapon. Gonna go progress other stuff, come back later.

As previous mentioned; PDR is a lie. Evade is a bad defensive layer. It's not a 50/50 if you will get hit. It means you WILL get hit 50% of the time.

[Vespertellino]

Originally posted by Lord Bullingdon:

PoE 1 veteran here: Geonor was a BS fight. Wait until you get to Rath. The bosses aren't fun in this. Just very tedious.

Fr, Rath is a joke (in a bad way)

[Kritty]

Originally posted by Le Toucan:

Wait until you meet Rathbearer
You'll quickly understand why Geonor is well-designed
Rathbearer is rage inducingly terrible

I'm a minion build and like to play at range. I had to just stand next to Rath and dodge around him to avoid getting slammed, and the enemies don't do certain attacks if you're in melee range of him. The thing that got me was AFTER he died. Cost me an Exalt. T-T