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vinnygunnz Mar 16 @ 12:00pm
Crafting feels mostly useless
Why even craft and waste mats if you can just buy stuff at trade much cheaper and get exactly what you want? And if that is working as intended, at least make a proper game auction house where seller doesn't need to be online or interact with each sale.

I feel like crafting should be more meaningful and there should be more control. Perhaps when you go to upgrade something with an exalt for instance it will show you a few possible outcomes. Of course you can do this somewhat with the database but an in game solution feels needed.

And if you are removing a prefix/suffix, rather than being random you should be able to a specific one because 1. there is already the random aspect of 1/6 stats being removed, possibly one you wish to keep, and then 2. There are several different set of options behind each prefix suffix change. So it's basically random built on random built on random. This removes player agency and undermines crafting in general.
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Random009 Mar 16 @ 2:55pm 
mabye wait for full release before rant yapping.
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NaRf Mar 16 @ 3:36pm 
Originally posted by vinnygunnz:
Why even craft and waste mats if you can just buy stuff at trade much cheaper and get exactly what you want? And if that is working as intended, at least make a proper game auction house where seller doesn't need to be online or interact with each sale.

I feel like crafting should be more meaningful and there should be more control. Perhaps when you go to upgrade something with an exalt for instance it will show you a few possible outcomes. Of course you can do this somewhat with the database but an in game solution feels needed.

And if you are removing a prefix/suffix, rather than being random you should be able to a specific one because 1. there is already the random aspect of 1/6 stats being removed, possibly one you wish to keep, and then 2. There are several different set of options behind each prefix suffix change. So it's basically random built on random built on random. This removes player agency and undermines crafting in general.
Crafting at the start of PoE was quite basic aswell, it wasnt for a while till we got the crating bench. The crafting system in PoE is just convoluted non sense now(imo, ofc). The crafting became like that after years of leagues with some of them be incorpated to the core. Relax, it will get there again.....
Last edited by NaRf; Mar 16 @ 3:38pm
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Vin Mar 16 @ 3:39pm 
Originally posted by Spaced:
Originally posted by vinnygunnz:
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Crafting at the start of PoE was as quite basic aswell, it wasnt for a while till we got the crating bench. The crafting system in PoE is just convoluted non sense now(imo, ofc). The crafting became like that after years of leagues with some of them be incorpated to the core. Relax, it will get there again.....

i have a question for you. why should they start from a point that is lesser than where POE1 is at now?
Last edited by Vin; Mar 16 @ 3:40pm
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NaRf Mar 16 @ 3:42pm 
Originally posted by Vin:
Originally posted by Spaced:
Crafting at the start of PoE was as quite basic aswell, it wasnt for a while till we got the crating bench. The crafting system in PoE is just convoluted non sense now(imo, ofc). The crafting became like that after years of leagues with some of them be incorpated to the core. Relax, it will get there again.....

i have a question for you. why should they start from a point that is lesser than where POE1 is at now?
Because they improve or add to the game via league mechanics.... So where would crafting have to go in terms of mechanics and leagues, if you had your prefect crafting system from the get go? It is a base to work upon, not the finished system.
Last edited by NaRf; Mar 16 @ 3:43pm
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Vin Mar 16 @ 3:42pm 
Originally posted by vinnygunnz:
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there is no crafting in POE2 its pure gamble.
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Vin Mar 16 @ 3:49pm 
Originally posted by Spaced:
Originally posted by Vin:

i have a question for you. why should they start from a point that is lesser than where POE1 is at now?
Because they improve or add to the game via league mechanics....

you can only improve a feature after its implemented.




Originally posted by Spaced:
So where would crafting have to go in terms of mechanics and leagues, if you had your prefect crafting system from the get go?

in the first place, the crafting in POE1 is not perfect. you also had to get blueprints from maps and from delve, and from syndicate.

yes crafting should have been here from the start. then and only then can they make improvements and add content for it just like POE1.

POE2 should not be a lesser product, experience, game than POE1 because they have 11yrs of experience from developing POE1. POE2 is not their first game.
Last edited by Vin; Mar 16 @ 3:52pm
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NaRf Mar 16 @ 3:53pm 
Originally posted by Vin:
Originally posted by Spaced:
Because they improve or add to the game via league mechanics....

you can only improve a feature after its implemented.




Originally posted by Spaced:
So where would crafting have to go in terms of mechanics and leagues, if you had your prefect crafting system from the get go?

in the first place, the crafting in POE1 is not perfect. you also had to get blueprints from maps and from delve, and from syndicate.

yes crafting should have been here from the start. then and only then can they make improvements and add content for it just like POE1.

POE2 should not be a lesser product, experience, game than POE1 because they have 11yrs of experience from developing it. POE2 is not their first game.
Huh crafting is the feature and they improve it through incorporating league mechanics into it. Are you still not understanding? Anyway, whatever...
Last edited by NaRf; Mar 16 @ 3:53pm
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Vin Mar 16 @ 3:55pm 
Originally posted by Spaced:
Huh crafting is the feature and they improve it through incorporating league mechanics into it. Are you still not understanding?

a feature cannot be improved unless it is implemented.

please do explain how you can improve a crafting system that is not implemented.
Last edited by Vin; Mar 16 @ 3:55pm
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NaRf Mar 16 @ 3:58pm 
Originally posted by Vin:
Originally posted by Spaced:
Huh crafting is the feature and they improve it through incorporating league mechanics into it. Are you still not understanding?

a feature cannot be improved unless it is implemented.

please do explain how you can improve a crafting system that is not implemented.
This is gonna be my last reply to you.... The crafting system as a base is implemented, now through leagues which crafting mechanics they bring and might be incorporated into the core game.
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Vin Mar 16 @ 4:05pm 
Originally posted by Spaced:
Originally posted by Vin:

a feature cannot be improved unless it is implemented.

please do explain how you can improve a crafting system that is not implemented.
This is gonna be my last reply to you....

there is no point in saying this. you can just not reply further.

Originally posted by Spaced:
The crafting system as a base is implemented, now through leagues which crafting mechanics they bring and might be incorporated into the core game.

POE2 does not have a crafting system. its pure gambling. it is also a stripped down version of the gambling from POE1

so as it is POE2 not only does not have crafting that is present in POE1, it also has a lesser version of POE1's gambling.

POE2 is a downgrade in this category compared to POE1 when it should be better than POE1.
Last edited by Vin; Mar 16 @ 4:05pm
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Hiroko Mar 16 @ 5:17pm 
This guy has never seen a movie sequel and thought "man the first movie was so much better."
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Detergent Mar 16 @ 5:46pm 
Originally posted by Vin:
Originally posted by Spaced:
Huh crafting is the feature and they improve it through incorporating league mechanics into it. Are you still not understanding?

a feature cannot be improved unless it is implemented.

please do explain how you can improve a crafting system that is not implemented.
Same way PoE1 did.
Do you think PoE1 launched with essences, fossils, crafting bench, beast crafting, Eldritch orbs, Harvest, influence orbs, fractures?
Nope, it started with the basic currency similar to how PoE2 started. Except PoE2 has essence and meta crafting in the form of omens.

Go watch some Belton videos. He will show you how to craft.
Spoiler: He doesn't just blindly throw random orbs at the item.
Last edited by Detergent; Mar 16 @ 5:50pm
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Quadsword Mar 16 @ 6:23pm 
Originally posted by Detergent:
Originally posted by Vin:

a feature cannot be improved unless it is implemented.

please do explain how you can improve a crafting system that is not implemented.
Same way PoE1 did.
Do you think PoE1 launched with essences, fossils, crafting bench, beast crafting, Eldritch orbs, Harvest, influence orbs, fractures?
Nope, it started with the basic currency similar to how PoE2 started. Except PoE2 has essence and meta crafting in the form of omens.

Go watch some Belton videos. He will show you how to craft.
Spoiler: He doesn't just blindly throw random orbs at the item.
Why is PoE2 launching with so few features in comparison to PoE1? Does nobody see anything wrong with this? PoE2 isn't GGG's first game, and they aren't a small company anymore.
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Hiroko Mar 16 @ 6:32pm 
Originally posted by Quadsword:
Why is PoE2 launching with...
no, stop there. Its not launching. We are in ea - actual ea, not the bs ea that so many (steam in particular) games do where they hide behind ea for 10+ years as a criticism shield. In fact, ea was supposed to be another beta test, but their marketing team pushed them into going ea. Like I said though, this is an actual ea. The game is not complete. Its not launched. You have access to the game before it launches - early access.
Last edited by Hiroko; Mar 16 @ 6:33pm
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Vin Mar 16 @ 6:49pm 
Originally posted by Hiroko:
Originally posted by Quadsword:
Why is PoE2 launching with...
no, stop there. Its not launching. We are in ea - actual ea, not the bs ea that so many (steam in particular) games do where they hide behind ea for 10+ years as a criticism shield. In fact, ea was supposed to be another beta test, but their marketing team pushed them into going ea. Like I said though, this is an actual ea. The game is not complete. Its not launched. You have access to the game before it launches - early access.

its an EA release that has an entry fee and a WORKING cash shop. that already puts it into the category of EA abuse.

dont twist quadswords words.

people should expect better quality from GGG because this isnt their first game and they have 11yrs of experience.

Edit: not only is it not their first game, it isnt even a new game. its a copy pasted and stripped down POE1.
Last edited by Vin; Mar 16 @ 10:22pm
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