I heavily dislike having to use a trading site to get gear

[Pixel]

I fully agree with Chris' early trade manifesto and believe instead of making Trading super easy and expose it to tons of abuse they should instead make drops better. I'm hoping this game is nothing like PoE 1 in that regard because as the manifesto says far fewer people engage with that trading system that heavily if still true, and that makes the game too heavily about trade rather than playing the game and getting some upgrades. Haven't seen much said really about trading in PoE 2 cause everything seems to say no one is sure yet how it will play out.

Understand the crafting system is important and the currency market helps a lot with this, the gold system eases things up quite a bit too, but there really needs to be a way to get better drops rather than have so few trading becomes the main part of gear acquisition.

Diablo 3 did this and the drops obviously sucked and was balanced heavily around the real money auction house. I'm sure there were a lot that loved that for obvious reasons, but a game heavily based around trade to get those great items ruins it for me.

This doesn't mean it needs to go the route of very limited trading like D4 or other games and I'm not saying restrict trade. I'm just hoping that philosophy of wanting better and more iterative upgrades over time still applies. Every league there's all these builds that say just go buy these uniques and I'm left wondering how in the world people have dozens of chaos orbs or whatever in the first few hours. But the biggest issue is having to meet up with someone in their hideout or wherever and give them and item in exchange for currency in order to get that build going. This doesn't feel good at all to me. I think you shouldn't have to rely on this to get everything you need, perhaps some things but not everything.

Anyway I'm sure I'll get told to get lost and you all love this clumsy trade system so much. I just think it kills the game for those of us that just want to play, gear up, use crafting to further tweak things, and get an interesting build going.

[instant]

just play SSF, its the better way to play the game anyway.

if you want something you have to farm it, in the game that is about farming.

getting lucky currency drops early on to buy your gear so you can speedrun the game is bad.

[みさかりん]

You have a point and that point is shared by others since people were trying to petition for an auction house. The problem with making loot "better" is that, the chance of that happening is close to none for the other end of the spectrum. What I mean by spectrum is, you have your casuals, semi-casuals and very serious players. These group have different classification of what is better loot. In most cases in POE 1 for an experienced player, you identify rares when you are going to early campaign and start crafting starter gear near the end of the campaign. The power of rares that you can craft is just on a different level compared to rares that have been drop by monsters. Sure you can get lucky and get a 6 tier 1 rolls on a ring but, are those tier 1 stats the one you need? We're not even talking about essence crafting which I think near impossible to get as a drop if we're talking about high end items much less how many items you can wear. Crafting is fun if you know what you are doing and to be frank, anyone who aims to clear pinnacle bosses will for sure have to learn to craft at one point not to mention it's VERY cheap compared to buying a fully crafted one.

If you really really hate the trading system in POE, if there is solo self found mode on POE 2, that might be for you.

[Machin Shin]

Its ARPG farm more = more gear you want i guess :) No need to buy anything except you have no time to farm. Also im sure nothing can be that worse than D3 early Days in this case.
Also that Gold is Character Bound helps very much.

[GioGimic]

One the last ARPGs with real trading and you wanna complain get the fuq outta here with that ♥♥♥♥.

RMAH in D3 got cried out of existence it was good tho.
Using a trading site is completely up to you there's also in-game chat with channels for trade.

[Euphytose]

I like trading with players personally, you get that nice "community" vibe.

It's sometimes hard to find what you want but I like it.

[Nefser]

I'm looking forward to trying out the trading, as I've only played PoE as SSF.

I'd like to see how/when/whether the trading economy works, or if it just starts to balloon, out of control.

[Kopejka]

Originally posted by Pixel:

I just think it kills the game for those of us that just want to play, gear up, use crafting to further tweak things, and get an interesting build going.

Who's stopping you from doing all that and not touching trading at all?

[Glitched79]

just buy your gear and items from the chinese farming websites like everyone else

[Pixel]

Originally posted by Euphytose:

I like trading with players personally, you get that nice "community" vibe.

It's sometimes hard to find what you want but I like it.

Well yeah and I'm not saying that needs to be done away with either. I'm just saying that if I have to trade to get loot cause the drops in the game are terrible then it feels bad. I know there are tons of systems in the game which I barely understand. I know you can Delve later on for more links or something and do that for upgrades for example, but no idea how much it improves drop rates or if it does at all for certain things.

There's a lot of fuzziness in PoE because there's dozens of systems and most players like me have zero clue how to utilize them and take advantage of them. If those systems are meant to close the gap on low drop rates then to me they failed.

I have zero issue with grinding some early bosses a few dozen times over and over while improving gear incrementally for a chance to get a very good unique or tiered item though. If tiers are better and smooth things out then all of this might be a moot point, especially if crafting is a bit easier to grasp and even better in PoE 2 and powerful.

[RedFaster]

The old trade system definitely worked just fine

but what would be even better is the addition of vending machines like in Fallout 76 or Once Human.

The reason that this matters is that there should be some sort of automated vending system that forces sales. You can't list something for a low price knowing that nobody will buy it if it's automated and also the seller doesn't have to be eternally online.

The currency marketplace worked great and doesn't need to change one bit but what about gear?

[RedFaster]

Hasn't anybody noticed that every town has a gear merchant that sells stuff you're never going to buy? If you could commission gear for sale in towns that would be great. Those vendors are already standing there doing nothing.

[Mr_Mojo]

Some of us wouldnt be playing poe without this kind of trading.

[RedFaster]

Originally posted by Mr_Mojo:

Some of us wouldnt be playing poe without this kind of trading.

Trade definitely solves the problem of it being practically impossible to craft or drop the thing you need but incredibly easy to craft or drop a thing somebody else needs.

That's why trade exists in reality. It just makes sense.

[Deadly]

Will be no Poe trade for Poe2 already been stated..

[wackgaming]

trading on website to send a message ingame to then proceed to trading, its a mess.
some 10-20 years old games would let you put shop stalls(rose online, rappelz) or had auction house(archeage...)
they should also have noticed the success in the ressource trader, EVERYONE likes it.