POE 2 vs Diablo 4

[Darkreaver1980]

Hi there,

How does this compare to Diablo 4? What is different?

I know POE 2 launches as early access but i wonder how much content it has at EA launch vs Diablo 4?

both POE 2 and Diablo 4 have 6 classes but which games has more bosses/missions/monsters?

[Chiryuu]

Escrito originalmente por Darkreaver1980:

Escrito originalmente por Chiryuu:

tbh. that's not really true, you still can play PoE as casual, you just won't get as far as in diablo.

Why is that so? does it take longer to get good gear or level up?

Exactly this.

[AFC_HIGHBURY]

Escrito originalmente por Stockwerk 13:

Escrito originalmente por AFC_HIGHBURY:

FIFA and cod are pretty popular aswell, that doesn't make them good games.

true statement

personally i like Diablo 4, but that is because i know how to manage expectations

i never expected D4 to be hardcore, i am fine with ~50 ish hours of top tier gameplay each season, after that i am done

i dont play the game for another 200 hours and keep crying "tHerRe iS n0 EnDgaMe"

I purchased it on release, thought the graphics and story decent enough. it doesn't matter about being hardcore or not, it literally was run the same copy pasted nightmare dungeons on repeat with lackluster skills and loot. I also felt the open world somewhat ruined the game and was just lazy design so they didn't have to keep producing maps. I went back to try after loot reborn and it felt better however it wasn't enough for me to stick around.
Wasn't going to buy a dlc after that and just confirmed to me that most big companies ain't capable of producing good games anymore, not the Devs fault the suits just want the cash.

[Stockwerk 13]

Escrito originalmente por General Bubbles:

POE 2 is looking to be BLOODY CRAMMED with content, especially endgame, to keep offering you things to do, AND THAT'S STILL NOT EVEN THE FULLY RELEASED VERSION.
Absolutely bonkers. 6 characters when EA first opens, with ANOTHER 6 being added over the 6, to 12 months it will be in EA, with three more story chapters coming along with them, and god knows what else they'll add :)

"is looking to be"

thats the point, this is why i wouldn't judge the game right now:
...you have not even played it...

we dont know wether PoE 2 is truely the second coming of christ

so please stop making it look like

[General Bubbles]

Escrito originalmente por Chiryuu:

Escrito originalmente por General Bubbles:

I don't wanna be mean, as I have enjoyed some of my time in Diablo 4, although I burned through what it offered, unreasonably quickly for its price.

okay, my opinion would be

Diablo 4 is for a much more casual player, nothing is particularly in-depth, the skill trees are very straightforward with minimal ways to customise them to your liking, they're fun, sure, but it gets stale, quite quickly, sadly.

the endgame for Diablo 4 is, (i'm really trying not to be mean I swear :P ) laughably shallow. once you get there, that's....kinda it.


POE is much deeper in absolutely every aspect, it offers significantly more in skill, customisation, story, general variation, and especially endgame.

I am fond of support characters and summoners.
Diablo 2 got me addicted to classes like Necromancers, back in days of yore.
Diablo 4's Necromancer felt very shallow for me.

To this day they Minion options in POE have been satisfying to use, and have a generous amount of variants, instead of just the usual Skeletons and a Golem kinda setup.



POE 2 is looking to be BLOODY CRAMMED with content, especially endgame, to keep offering you things to do, AND THAT'S STILL NOT EVEN THE FULLY RELEASED VERSION.
Absolutely bonkers. 6 characters when EA first opens, with ANOTHER 6 being added over the 6, to 12 months it will be in EA, with three more story chapters coming along with them, and god knows what else they'll add :)


TL;DR
Diablo 4 = casual gameplay
POE2 = I hope you don't have other hobbies/games you wanna interact with, 'cause POE 2 will eat your time.

tbh. that's not really true, you still can play PoE as casual, you just won't get as far as in diablo.

Oh, absolutely, but I never said a casual player could not play PoE
but it has substantially more to offer, while D4 is quite shallow in comparison. Sure a casual player can play PoE, but as a PoE vs Diablo 4 comparison, like OP wanted, Diablo 4 offers a more.....straightforward go of it, ya know what I mean?

[Chiryuu]

Escrito originalmente por General Bubbles:

Escrito originalmente por Chiryuu:

tbh. that's not really true, you still can play PoE as casual, you just won't get as far as in diablo.

Oh, absolutely, but I never said a casual player could not play PoE
but it has substantially more to offer, while D4 is quite shallow in comparison. Sure a casual player can play PoE, but as a PoE vs Diablo 4 comparison, like OP wanted, Diablo 4 offers a more.....straightforward go of it, ya know what I mean?

Not sure about shallow. Nowadays D4 has a lot to offer, but it might be throwing stuff too fast for some ppl, hence you will "clear" game faster.

[Stockwerk 13]

i played 200 hours of PoE 1

and 100 hours of that was reading guides or downloading and setting up 3rd party software (PoE.trade, Path of Building, AHK Makros, Lootfilters, etc.) without understanding jack sht.

I expect PoE 2 to actually let me play the game allone, on my own, from hours 0 to infinity.

If i spend another week reading ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ guides i'll drop this in a whimp and be back to D4, Grim Dawn and Last Epoch.

[Chiryuu]

Escrito originalmente por Stockwerk 13:

i played 200 hours of PoE 1

and 100 hours of that was reading guides or downloading and setting up 3rd party software (PoE.trade, Path of Building, AHK Makros, Lootfilters, etc.) without understanding jack sht.

I really hope PoE 2 will not follow that path. This was biggest con of PoE 1 IMO.

[[:-:]]

Escrito originalmente por Stockwerk 13:

If i spend another week reading ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ guides i'll drop this in a whimp and be back to D4, Grim Dawn and Last Epoch.

You should probably spend that time revisiting school. You sound like "I bought a car, spent 2 weeks reading about Michael Shoemaker, spent another 2 months watching Top Gear, bought a car repair shop, a chemistry plant, purchased 3 car crash test dummies, wasted a month trying to refund one, cause it came already tested, I wish I could just ride my car..."

[Zargsch]

Some of the responses are rather... Well, anyways - I know it's a bit of a tall order to be asked for 80 minutes of your time, but I implore you to just sit down and watch the whole thing. That will effectively tell you how very different it is and how it will offer drastically more content to explore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpIbaTXJD4g

[[LZ]Icy]

Db4 Was a stillborn , why? Blizzard greed as usual , so by default PoE2 wins , it can never be THAT bad.

[Poop Nuts]

Escrito originalmente por Darkreaver1980:

Escrito originalmente por Colonel Sanders:

Diablo 4 1,5 years after its release is a joke compared to PoE2 on friday.

In every single aspect.

Why? both games have 6 classes. POE 2 has only 3 campaign acts on launch while diablo 4 had 6. Not sure if each act has more or less areas/missions.

PoE 2 will also have 6 acts when it fully launches and expand in the future, it will also have 12 classes (double D4) with 3 ascendancies each.

There's way more to the game than just campaign or doing the same thing over and over like D4, there are multiple types of endgame content the player can take part in so the game won't get as boring or monotonous, and that's not counting the content that future leagues will bring.

D4 has like 3 or 4 ways to play each class while PoE will have more like 100, there's just more depth to it than D4 could ever have which is a good or bad thing depending on how casual you are.

[Stockwerk 13]

Escrito originalmente por Zargsch:

Some of the responses are rather... Well, anyways - I know it's a bit of a tall order to be asked for 80 minutes of your time, but I implore you to just sit down and watch the whole thing. That will effectively tell you how very different it is and how it will offer drastically more content to explore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpIbaTXJD4g

I watched it.

But i fail to see where this is 'epic endgame' or endless endgame?

Its running maps with 4 old poe1 league mechanics active (breach, ritual, delirium, expedition)... plus some pinnacle bosses and trials (basically poe1 labyrinth)

is this really THAT much endgame?

i doubt it.


Remember: all those streamers and youtubers you are (again) taken their word for granted also lured you into diablo 4 and cyberpunk, just saying.

[Colonel Sanders]

Escrito originalmente por Stockwerk 13:

Escrito originalmente por Zargsch:

Some of the responses are rather... Well, anyways - I know it's a bit of a tall order to be asked for 80 minutes of your time, but I implore you to just sit down and watch the whole thing. That will effectively tell you how very different it is and how it will offer drastically more content to explore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpIbaTXJD4g

I watched it.

But i fail to see where this is 'epic endgame' or endless endgame?

Its running maps with 4 old poe1 league mechanics active (breach, ritual, delirium, expedition)... plus some pinnacle bosses and trials (basically poe1 labyrinth)

is this really THAT much endgame?

i doubt it.


Remember: all those streamers and youtubers you are (again) taken their word for granted also lured you into diablo 4 and cyberpunk, just saying.

It is way more endgame than D4 has 1,5 years after its release.
Way, way more endgame than most other games have at their release including mmorpgs.
And that is for the start of early access.

If you can't see that, then thats a problem on your end

[Colonel Sanders]

Escrito originalmente por Stockwerk 13:

Remember: all those streamers and youtubers you are (again) taken their word for granted also lured you into diablo 4 and cyberpunk, just saying.

Don't know who lured you, but GGG has been delivering and improving on themselves for many, many years already, while blizzard just slept and didnt innovate or improve anything really, they just made Diablo 3.5 because they thought they are the unbeatable king of the genre and don't have to do anything to keep their title

GGG is what blizzard used to be at their peak

[heyfunny]

50 unique bosses / 100 unique bosses at 1.0
3 acts that sound quite extensive and a focus much higher on good story vs the first game. / 3 more acts in 1.0
An extensive endgame with 100s if not thousands of hours worth of content in EA along with 7 pinacle bosses and 1 uber endgame boss to challenge for unique loot. With a ramping method to scale difficulty and reward no other game has in endgame. / roughly 50% more content coming to the game before 1.0
6 characters each with 2 acendances / 12 characters each with 3 acendancies by 1.0
The live stream GGG did recently will explain things much better though.