Are we forced to create a new characters after time?

[Kobold]

One of my biggest disappointments in POE was, that my character build became unplayable after time because of the Skill Tree & Balance Changes. I was forced to create at least after 1,5-2 year's a new char.

I loved to create a single or max two char's like in diablo2/3 (i never played D4 btw and i dont care about it) that i can play forever.

So to make it short, let me repeat my headline again:

Are we forced to create a new characters after time?

[TheOne320]

There will always be balance changes to the skill tree that will reset your tree. But you can rebuild the same or similar character as you will have all the points.

[kingzimeth]

Yes mate if you want to play each season you will. Otherwise you can keep your character and keep playing it forever in standard league

[Kobold]

Originally posted by TheOne320:

There will always be balance changes to the skill tree that will reset your tree. But you can rebuild the same or similar character as you will have all the points.

How do you know that? Is this a expectation? Do you have a source or a statement from the devs?

In the old diablo titles there was no skill balance introduces that destroyed my Builds. All i know this was a POE thing... that's why i stopped playing after i created my third build and with a heavy Energy shield nerf, they was all unplayable :(

[TheOne320]

It is a live service game that will always be in active development. It is 100% that they will make changes to the skill tree over time that will reset your tree. Old diablo titles were released and then patched a few times. That was it. Of course they did not change all the skill trees.

[Kobold]

Originally posted by kingzimeth:

Yes mate if you want to play each season you will. Otherwise you can keep your character and keep playing it forever in standard league

Im not talking about season leagues... my chars wasnt even playable for the standard league, because my builds was total messed up. Its like that GGG wanted to destroy the old builds, as if we can only have longtime fun with a char reset, again and again.

I love h&s games but not this regular resets :(

[Kobold]

Originally posted by TheOne320:

It is a live service game that will always be in active development. It is 100% that they will make changes to the skill tree over time that will reset your tree. Old diablo titles were released and then patched a few times. That was it. Of course they did not change all the skill trees.

D3 had a bigger addon, monk & paladin few years later after the vanilla game and additional areas and monsters was introduces, all this was possible without a character reset, this is a fact.

Since you don't want to make a clear answer, it looks like you have no verification that this resets actually will happen... is that correct?

So my question cant be answered at this early time i guess... maybe i need to wait then?

[Pushet]

Originally posted by Kobold:

Originally posted by kingzimeth:

Yes mate if you want to play each season you will. Otherwise you can keep your character and keep playing it forever in standard league

Im not talking about season leagues... my chars wasnt even playable for the standard league, because my builds was total messed up. Its like that GGG wanted to destroy the old builds, as if we can only have longtime fun with a char reset, again and again.

I love h&s games but not this regular resets :(

You will eventually have to do work to rebuild your character.
Especially during early access I wouldnt expect for a char created next week, to be still functioning near the end of early access.

Some things are not meant to stay in PoE and if you want absolute and permanent statis for a live service game, its not the right game for you.

[TheOne320]

Like the other person and I said. It only resets your tree and you just have to put the points back into the tree. They have to reset the tree sometimes because the position of nodes changes or they add new nodes. I know it will 100% because it is the same developers that are working on poe1 and there it happened multiple times.

[Kobold]

Originally posted by Pushet:

Originally posted by Kobold:

Im not talking about season leagues... my chars wasnt even playable for the standard league, because my builds was total messed up. Its like that GGG wanted to destroy the old builds, as if we can only have longtime fun with a char reset, again and again.

I love h&s games but not this regular resets :(

You will eventually have to do work to rebuild your character.
Especially during early access I wouldnt expect for a char created next week, to be still functioning near the end of early access.

Some things are not meant to stay in PoE and if you want absolute and permanent statis for a live service game, its not the right game for you.

Thanks for that honest answer, of course i expect a char reset after Early Access. I think even a Diablo like game would have this (one time).

But im more worried about regular resets, as in POE1.

[Пачвара]

Even on Standard there will be changes and you will be granted a free respec once in a while because trees/skills/spells will be rebalanced/remade at some point. As others said, the game is in active development all the time. Even tho your char will be in Standard league and you will have all the currency you earned, you probably will face a point where you will have to remake a build
PS. At least, this is how it is in POE1, so I guess it will be the same here

[Paranochat]

Originally posted by Kobold:

So to make it short, let me repeat my headline again:

Are we forced to create a new characters after time?

Forced ? No you're not forced to do anything.

POE never forced you to create a new character either.
Now getting your build changed because of balance updates ? Yeah, this might happen. Why would this be an issue ?

Originally posted by Kobold:

But im more worried about regular resets, as in POE1.

There's no "regular reset" in POE1, where is this going ?

[Kobold]

Okay, since there are few response, why im talking about a new character.

Of course, my old char doesn't get deleted and i have my items/gems and exp.

But my items and gems, that specialised for this one build are worthless for me then
and after playing for several hundred of hours, for me this comes pretty close for creating a new char.

Anyways, thanks for that information guys. I think i have to wait after Early Access to find out about a verification how it looks around "build resets".

[Prinny]

you get a free reset every major patch for your skill tree. you are automatically reset if said patch changes the skill tree.
My two standard league character keep having the reset button jump in my face.

Between the early access of PoE when only 3 act were available (Sounds familiar?) and now, the skill tree has MASSIVELY changed. empty nodes, new nodes, removed nodes, displaced nodes, changed nodes, etc. There has been major change. that much is true.
I never deleted my first chaarcter. Yes, it is unusable in normal circumstances because I still have no idea how to build it properly (1300hr in and this is still the case). But I got a free reset button ready to abuse. I even got MORE skill points for some reasons than when I first played it.

Yeah it sucks to not be able to play that character properly. it sucks to have the balance changed to radically that my build is worthless EVEN when using the old gear I got which still has about 30% more stats and an effect that has long since been removed. I miss the chaos I could create with no cooldown.
But I've also got 60+ stash tab that are FILLED to the brim and "remove only". I may not be able to do the same exact build but there's lot of other similar builds I can go for without putting ANY effort into finding the required gear.... In standard, of course. I have not cleaned my stash in about 7 or 8 years....

All in all, I sympathise, but even Diablo 3 have some build that are worthless now. you can't even play at torment 16 or get anywhere usefull in the rift without one of the major 3-4 build per character and even then some character have "Major build" that don't even work. You HAVE to use the ONE build (or two, sometime there are two...) to be able to show on the leaderboard. Unlike here where there's about 10-15 builds per character that can do the same.
Diablo 3 removed elemental reflect and elemental immunity from the game. PoE didn't... just more streamlined now.

You no longer gain exp while dead, your minion die when you die, CoC has a cooldown, and other such change have "ruined" some builds...
...You can still do them though. CoC SW is still a thing though less chaotic.

If you make a new character, that's not PoE's doing. that's 100% YOUR decision. What was your "ruined" build? I'm ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN it can still be viable or there's a few similar ones you can do without having to make a new character.
I still got my marauder mage and my templar with a bow. I'm sure you can do something....

[Пачвара]

Originally posted by Kobold:

But my items and gems, that specialised for this one build are worthless for me then
and after playing for several hundred of hours, for me this comes pretty close for creating a new char.

If this game will work as POE1 you will have currency to purchase 23%/21lv gems as well as you would have this gems made by yourself after several hundreds of hours. Anyway There will be no such drastic changes to completely wipe your build and make non-viable (at least after EA, as I'm thinking in EA there is a possibility of breaking changes), so my guess the build will have to be refined in some way and that's it

[Colonel Sanders]

Of course they will make balance changes to the skill tree, items and gems and basically everything.

So yes you will have to adjust your stuff in the future.