Necromancer

[Shadowkamui99]

Please make necromancer ascension (and make minions strong and different type of minions)

[Kopejka]

Will probably be added later on

[Tictactucrac]

Originally posted by Kopejka:

Will probably be added later on

No they specifically said there will be no Necromancer ascendancy, they want to give players more freedom for minion builds.

They don't want new players to feel forced to play 1 class and 1 ascendancy to have a good performing minion build.

You want to play a necromancer pick minion related skills, simple.

(and make minions strong and different type of minions)

You're requesting this like it's not already the case ?

[TheOne320]

@Tictactucrac What do you think the Witch's third ascendancy will be if not Necromancer?

[Mister Bones]

Originally posted by TheOne320:

@Tictactucrac What do you think the Witch's third ascendancy will be if not Necromancer?

Looking at the available art, probably something themed around chaos DoT/curses, a la Occultist.

[Ersatz]

Minions are baked into the core of the Witch - all Ascendencies will support them in some way or another. It was a deliberate design choice not to have the "minion Ascendancy" to help with diversity.

If you want your minions to look different, well... there's MTX for that.

[Tictactucrac]

Originally posted by TheOne320:

@Tictactucrac What do you think the Witch's third ascendancy will be if not Necromancer?

I have no clue, except that it's not gonna be necromancer because the literal developers confirmed it

[Kopejka]

Originally posted by Tictactucrac:

Originally posted by Kopejka:

Will probably be added later on

No they specifically said there will be no Necromancer ascendancy, they want to give players more freedom for minion builds.

They don't want new players to feel forced to play 1 class and 1 ascendancy to have a good performing minion build.

You want to play a necromancer pick minion related skills, simple.

my bad then, I thought the third ascendancy would be minion focused one with specific passives for Witch
Isn't this the case for the first game? haven't played it in a while.

[Tictactucrac]

Originally posted by Kopejka:

Originally posted by Tictactucrac:

No they specifically said there will be no Necromancer ascendancy, they want to give players more freedom for minion builds.

They don't want new players to feel forced to play 1 class and 1 ascendancy to have a good performing minion build.

You want to play a necromancer pick minion related skills, simple.

my bad then, I thought the third ascendancy would be minion focused one with specific passives for Witch
Isn't this the case for the first game? haven't played it in a while.

Yes PoE1 had necro ascendancy but it pigeonholed a lot of new players that wanted to play minions into this ascendancy even though there was supposed to be more freedom and options, devs didn't like that

[Kopejka]

Originally posted by Tictactucrac:

Originally posted by Kopejka:

my bad then, I thought the third ascendancy would be minion focused one with specific passives for Witch
Isn't this the case for the first game? haven't played it in a while.

Yes PoE1 had necro ascendancy but it pigeonholed a lot of new players that wanted to play minions into this ascendancy even though there was supposed to be more freedom and options, devs didn't like that

Can't other classes use minion builds?
I remember playing a templar with that one gem that let you summon some holy spirits or something which allowed for an interesting minion build outside of the witch.

[Ersatz]

Originally posted by Kopejka:

Can't other classes use minion builds?

They can, but you need to consider proximity and volume of minion-supporting nodes on the tree. The Witch starts close to a big chunk.

[Tictactucrac]

Originally posted by Kopejka:

Originally posted by Tictactucrac:

Yes PoE1 had necro ascendancy but it pigeonholed a lot of new players that wanted to play minions into this ascendancy even though there was supposed to be more freedom and options, devs didn't like that

Can't other classes use minion builds?
I remember playing a templar with that one gem that let you summon some holy spirits or something which allowed for an interesting minion build outside of the witch.

Yes they can but it's not immediately obvious to new players when the game tell you "hey by the way, this is the necromancer ascendancy, you probably want this for minion builds"

They want players to feel like every class can have minion builds with equal efficiency and support. Witch probably still will be the main one, but at least you can chose your ascendancy and not feel forced to go Necromancy

[ScandiDiver]

Originally posted by Shadowkamui99:

Please make necromancer ascension (and make minions strong and different type of minions)

100% agree. Not having a dedicated ascendency to minion builds are very disappointing and in my opinion straight up stupid. I was really looking forward to play a dedicated necro style summoner in PoE2.

Forcing hybrid builds and removing dedicated builds does not give more build options. It just dilute the one and only option there was. There´s already tons of spell/melee options. Instead of removing the only dedicated summoner option and thereby lower build diversity they should add several of them, like they have with melee and spells.

Also adding hybrid minion options to other tree does not mean they need to completely remove the dedicated option.

It´s as stupid as they would remove dedicated spell or melee trees and forcing everything melee or spells to be hybrid summoner.

[Hiroko]

Originally posted by Kopejka:

Originally posted by Tictactucrac:

No they specifically said there will be no Necromancer ascendancy, they want to give players more freedom for minion builds.

They don't want new players to feel forced to play 1 class and 1 ascendancy to have a good performing minion build.

You want to play a necromancer pick minion related skills, simple.

my bad then, I thought the third ascendancy would be minion focused one with specific passives for Witch
Isn't this the case for the first game? haven't played it in a while.

Not your bad. He was wrong. They specifically said they were working on necromancer, but the other 2 ascendencies made it to EA first because they were having trouble designing the necro. They don't want any ascension to be the defacto choice for a build archetype. No matter what you're playing, they want you to have actual choices. Necro in poe1 was designed such that it was essentially the defacto minions choice (until recently) while also not being useful to any other builds. Thats what they're having trouble with and why necro didn't make ea, and why they may come up with something else instead (with some minion stuff, like how demon thing has flamy minion buff).

[Tictactucrac]

Originally posted by ScandiDiver:

Originally posted by Shadowkamui99:

Please make necromancer ascension (and make minions strong and different type of minions)

100% agree. Not having a dedicated ascendency to minion builds are very disappointing and in my opinion straight up stupid. I was really looking forward to play a dedicated necro style summoner in PoE2.

Forcing hybrid builds and removing dedicated builds does not give more build options. It just dilute the one and only option there was. There´s already tons of spell/melee options. Instead of removing the only dedicated summoner option and thereby lower build diversity they should add several of them, like they have with melee and spells.

Also adding hybrid minion options to other tree does not mean they need to completely remove the dedicated option.

It´s as stupid as they would remove dedicated spell or melee trees and forcing everything melee or spells to be hybrid summoner.

How is that forcing hybrid builds in any way ?

Pick a class, get minion skills, chose minion nodes, problem solved, there is your dedicated necro style summoner except you were given the choice and the chance to do this with any class you like.

Some classes still have ascendancies more in line with minion themes than others like Witch and Druid.

[Tictactucrac]

Originally posted by Hiroko:

Originally posted by Kopejka:

my bad then, I thought the third ascendancy would be minion focused one with specific passives for Witch
Isn't this the case for the first game? haven't played it in a while.

Not your bad. He was wrong. They specifically said they were working on necromancer, but the other 2 ascendencies made it to EA first because they were having trouble designing the necro. They don't want any ascension to be the defacto choice for a build archetype. No matter what you're playing, they want you to have actual choices. Necro in poe1 was designed such that it was essentially the defacto minions choice (until recently) while also not being useful to any other builds. Thats what they're having trouble with and why necro didn't make ea, and why they may come up with something else instead (with some minion stuff, like how demon thing has flamy minion buff).

So i'm wrong even though you just literally repeated what I said with different words