Sucks compared old Panzer General 2

[Big Boss]

Just went back and played the old Panzer General 2 from 1998 over the last couple weeks (beat the german and american campaign) and it is such a superior game to this mess. You can actually use real world tactics like combined arms and massed arty and totally smash the enemy force.

In this new iteration the enemy almost seems to cheat, hit them with arty and air and tanks and they still manage to hold their ground and inflict heavy casualties on your forces.

Enemy has their AT guns and arty out in front of their position and my tanks and infantry have trouble breaking them, even with air and arty support. In PG 2 your tanks are great at killing exposed arty and your infantry is great at killing exposed AT guns (as it should be). With air and arty you can smash them even easier.

That whole balanced gameplay from the original game is just gone in this new game.

Also got 4 full campaigns in the PG 2 that let you play as every faction, in this one I look at the menu and see everything is locked as DLC.

I'm sure this post wont change anything but it sure is interesting seeing how these game devs have gotten both greedier and worse at their jobs (balancing gameplay) in the last 20 years.

[rogergarinmichaud]

totally agree about the last paragraph, it has been going downhill since the original Wolfenstein3D 1989...

[cerberusiv]

Take the rose tinted glasses off. PG2 was and is a good game but is far from perfect. I played it when it originally came out and still have it (from GOG). Apart from the whole range issue of later tanks and AT being able to shoot 2 hexes compared to 1 hex for everything else, which makes a significant difference to game dynamics, the campaigns which come with PG2 are ridiculously easy.

PzC has its own flaws. The first one is that the campaign you get with the basic game is rather different in scale and in pacing to the DLC campaigns. I dislike it so much I've never actually finished it. Yes, the DLC campaigns were originally add-ons but if you pay for the Gold edition here on Steam you get the whole lot for a pretty reasonable price. If you aren't willing to do that there are plenty of free campaigns made by people who just like the challenge of that which you can track down through the Slitherine PzC forums.

From your description of what you consider "unrealistic" you don't seem to grasp the concept of entrenchment, the effects of unit experience and terrain. Put simply an elite infantry unit entrenched in close terrain will tear an attacker to pieces without heavy artillery and air bombardment to soften it up. It can be done if one has the patience and the correct units. You seem to lack something there.

I'm probably feeding the troll here but if you are going to criticise a game, at least come up with some valid points.