Soviet DLC ... Um, Yikes ...

[ccwylde70]

I think this is the 3rd battle of the 'campaign' ....

I say that rather despairingly, as I'm no newb at this, thought I had built up fairly decent troops, considering ... won the first two battles with Triumps ....

Now I'm facing the Finns and ... sheesh ... what can I say ...

So, there are minefields, ok ... I actually have 2 Engineer Units + the one they give you there, that's not too bad but ....

Every point is armed and entrenched to the teeth ... antitank, artillery support, anti aircraft support over that ... btw it snowed the first two rounds, then 2 rounds of cloudy still frozen, then another round of snow ...

Meanwhile, my troops are going through a grinder on both fronts ( I say 'both' b/c it looks like suicide to try splitting them up anymore than that). My artillery is barely doing squat doodly, which is bad, since that's the best artillery I can get ... my two tac bombers (when they do get to shoot) really aren't doing a bit of difference, either ... my grunt fighter planes seem to be better at this than they are ...

But I think the most aggravating bit of it all is ... absolute ZERO prestige award per turn. That's right, none-ya. I had saved a little bit going into the beginning of this battle, but since I've hardly been able to take over a frozen cowpatty pasture atm, let alone any city, all my chewed up tanks and troops stay just like that ... chewed up. And none of the fighting here seems advantageous to tanks in the slightest.

I'm beginning to think maybe I should've completely forsaken the idea of a) Any Aircraft or b) Any Tanks and gone c) Completely Infantry & Artillery up to this point.

I'm not seeing much hope for these poor bastards in this battle. And I'm only playing on Normal Difficulty. Panzer Corps (German) sure didn't get this mired down this quickly! Guess the Russian leadership still really despises me (even after two great victories).

Well, back to the drawing board, I suppose. Lol ...

[ccwylde70]

So I restarted the battle (but kept the same units)

Ah, ok, I see what the deal is ...

Had no idea about the delayed reinforcements thing @ turn 8. Would've been nice to know, before sacrificing some decent units to the pyre of "Push Onward !" So now some extra meat for the grinder and (FINALLY !) some much needed Prestige points !

[how-hiGh]

it was tough IRL also

[ccwylde70]

Originally posted by how-hiGh:

it was tough IRL also

Kudos. Point taken. Well, now with the hindsight, future battles'll certainly be planned differently. Only ended up with standard victory on this one. Was knocking at the gates of taking that second objective in time, but just way too much bad weather, running low on artillery shells, too many enemies in the way ... etc.

[coles4_ns]

There were very good reasons the Russians had their asses handed to them by the Finns.
It's not supposed to be easy.

[Complex Strategy]

Also if you haven't noticed or played to far ahead be wary of what happens in the early part of the war IRL to the russians as the same will happen to you in the coming scenarios. However KV-1s are very good at holding back units while your airforce is pathetic. Rely on AA, KV-1s/T-34s and Artillery to carry most of your weight.
Also don't be afraid to buy an infantry to stall your enemy or just use to body block as its easy to replace them.

[ccwylde70]

Sounds like some great tips there - thanks for the forewarning - I've had the game a bit on the back burner, with stuff I picked up from the Steam Summer Sale, but I'm sure I'll get back to it soon enough, and will keep these suggestions in mind :)

[яise]

its easy compared to how it was in allied general. i dont actually know of anyone who beat finland, not even a minor vic.

[Xam Huad]

Originally posted by яise:

its easy compared to how it was in allied general. i dont actually know of anyone who beat finland, not even a minor vic.

Hah, I must have mentally blocked that experience.
Allied General had 1 or 2 Finnish scenario's in the Soviet series?
The whole campaign was extremely harsh, but challenges are good.
In that regard, the Soviet campaign in PzC is indeed heaps easier.

[cerberusiv]

Originally posted by X4MHD:

Originally posted by яise:

its easy compared to how it was in allied general. i dont actually know of anyone who beat finland, not even a minor vic.

Hah, I must have mentally blocked that experience.
Allied General had 1 or 2 Finnish scenario's in the Soviet series?
The whole campaign was extremely harsh, but challenges are good.
In that regard, the Soviet campaign in PzC is indeed heaps easier. :warstar: :soviet:

The Soviet campaign in AG opened with one scenario of the Winter War attack on the Mannerheim line. It was tough and required throwing replacements at non core units and feeding hordes of conscript infantry into the meatgrinder to destroy the Finns entrenchment levels and run their artillery out of ammo to enable your KV-1's to break through supported by an artillery barrage.

After quite a few tries I got it down to achieving a minor victory slightly more than half the time on the default difficulty settings, never did manage a major victory though.

[dusteki]

US Corps is much harder. I had no problems finishing Soviet Corps.

US Corps is utterly unbalanced and includes ridiculous scenarios which mostly include elite Panzer groups which outnumber you and with ample air support rolling up your armies. Forget fighting Tigers with your tanks.

[Xam Huad]

Originally posted by dusteki:

US Corps is much harder. I had no problems finishing Soviet Corps.
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Complete opposite to the Africa campaign in Allied General, where it was much easier.

[cerberusiv]

Originally posted by dusteki:

US Corps is much harder. I had no problems finishing Soviet Corps.

US Corps is utterly unbalanced and includes ridiculous scenarios which mostly include elite Panzer groups which outnumber you and with ample air support rolling up your armies. Forget fighting Tigers with your tanks.

I found US Corps 42 and 43 not that bad (on Colonel) but harder than the, admittedly easy, British in Allied Corps. 44/45 is another matter. I ran out of prestige at Sainkt Vith having to patch up P47's and M4's. No prestige in the bank meant Bastogne was impossible.

[яise]

Originally posted by cerberusiv:

Originally posted by X4MHD:

Hah, I must have mentally blocked that experience.
Allied General had 1 or 2 Finnish scenario's in the Soviet series?
The whole campaign was extremely harsh, but challenges are good.
In that regard, the Soviet campaign in PzC is indeed heaps easier. :warstar: :soviet:

The Soviet campaign in AG opened with one scenario of the Winter War attack on the Mannerheim line. It was tough and required throwing replacements at non core units and feeding hordes of conscript infantry into the meatgrinder to destroy the Finns entrenchment levels and run their artillery out of ammo to enable your KV-1's to break through supported by an artillery barrage.

After quite a few tries I got it down to achieving a minor victory slightly more than half the time on the default difficulty settings, never did manage a major victory though.

also in PZC you dont have to go all the way up the NE coast to BFE to get that one city.

OP i believe the way i got major vic for this scenario was close to the following.
east
2 eng, 1 regular, 1 arty. once you get rid of the first bunker and arty, you keep an inf foreward to spot, and you counter battery their artillery. if the inf gets low in str, then rotate him out. do this until the arty are dead.
everything else went north.
once comrade stalin sends help, send 2 inf right to use as fodder, the rest should be able to take on what should be a near abbandoned city. (once you break through the north they start pulling guys out of position)