This looks very similar to Stormgate

[Ein]

Glad to see some competition in the scene, will definitely play both and see which ones I like best.
I am a big fan of StarCraft 2 and I hope Blizzard never makes a sequel since I don't believe they will make it good. At least we got these.

[Avs]

Stormgate is pretty rough around the edges without really innovating so hopefully this game tries to really shake up RTS. RTS genre needs something new and better than the previous games, not just a newer RTS still building on fundamentals from Warcraft/Starcraft games.

[Ein]

Originally posted by Avs:

Stormgate is pretty rough around the edges without really innovating so hopefully this game tries to really shake up RTS. RTS genre needs something new and better than the previous games, not just a newer RTS still building on fundamentals from Warcraft/Starcraft games.

I like the fundamentals of Starcraft, but I don't mind games that take a different approach.

Also it is kind of sad how the only modern RTS games are paradox games, they're not really what I expect from RTS games, despite being really good.

[Adam Beckett]

Originally posted by Avs:

Stormgate is pretty rough around the edges without really innovating so hopefully this game tries to really shake up RTS. RTS genre needs something new and better than the previous games, not just a newer RTS still building on fundamentals from Warcraft/Starcraft games.

"Without innovating"? Really? Have you played any of the maps? Have you met the Stormgate beta Discord? Players complaining about those exact 'without innovating' new mechanics? :)

Anyway. The fun thing - which I think, the op was referring to - is, that visually, Stormgate and Battle Aces 'look' similar.

I myself am just glad, that the cat is now out of the bag ... officially.

It remains to be seen what Kim really means about "we want to eliminate the tedious clicks", he said in the dev blog feature video from a while ago and in this Game Fest reveal. To me, this sounds like 'watering down' what makes this special 1v1 StarCraft style RTS games exceptional (Chrono boost, Queen inject).

But, it makes a new RTS game also more accessible, to a wider audience. I get it, from a business point of view. Nothing wrong with that, if the "endless strategy" claim has a grain of merit.

No 'tedious' clicks, though right now, sounds to me like "don't worry about base building - you just fight", like in Sudden Strike (1999) or equal games. Nothing innovative about that?

But, I am not going to doubt David Kim. They are going to show more. He - and the people around him - must have some surprises and aces up their sleeves. Smart people.

[EDIT] ... having seen now the gameplay video and listened to Wardi & Artosis commentary, I now see more of what the 'innovation' part is about, in this game.

Free basic scouting. No worker building. Instant units. You and your opponent know each others 'decks' and you have to quickly react. Switching tech. Committing to builds. Reacting to the opponents tech. Fast gameplay.

Lot of what StarCraft 1 + 2 gives you, but in a more simplified way - which is not a bad thing, per se.

It probably also allows weaker or new players to experience 'tech switches' and allowing them to react to the opponents strategies, instead dying instantly to early-game rushes, or popular 'builds-of-the-week' on the ladder, which are still the most common experience for low-skill players?

[pie75]

To me, it just looks like Dawn of War 3 with starcraft unit control. Not a bad thing, but i suspect the staying power will depend heavily on having more variety in units, so that players are always learning about new deck combinations as they play against each other.

[A10Warthog]

For me it looks like an enhanced version of AirMech without the "main' commander, but with the more little units :"D

[Adam Beckett]

Originally posted by pie75:

To me, it just looks like Dawn of War 3 with starcraft unit control. Not a bad thing, but i suspect the staying power will depend heavily on having more variety in units, so that players are always learning about new deck combinations as they play against each other.

Yeah. The 'deck-building part' also gave me DoW3 vibes (hearing, one of the DoW PvP devs is on this game's team as a lead - no wonder?), when I tried the skirmish PvP mode. I hated DoW3 just like any other player, when it came out. But, later on, I did find things about it that I actually, genuinely liked. We all rush very quickly to judgements? A human nature thing? Our brain needs to put 'new things' in old cups (aka 'context')?

[EnriKO]

> Stormgate

Skylords Reborn i presume?

[Zeus]

please tell me that you will make and campaign for single player. i really like this game it has so many potential. I can't wait.

[Ein]

Originally posted by Zeus:

please tell me that you will make and campaign for single player. i really like this game it has so many potential. I can't wait.

This! I played the Starcraft 2 campaign so much. I'm not a big esports player and I don't want to be one, once I get my ass beaten x many times I just stop trying and move on to better things, campaigns are fun! I play vidya for fun.

[DiablosDungeon]

Looks like a fun new take on RTS. Looking forward to it!

[Logicon]

I got turned off by Storm Gate since it basically plays exactly like Starcraft 2. I'm looking for something different and I really like Battle Ace's approach of removing the tedious unfun stuff. Sure it looks similar but I imagine it will play so much better

[Ein]

Originally posted by Logicon:

I got turned off by Storm Gate since it basically plays exactly like Starcraft 2. I'm looking for something different and I really like Battle Ace's approach of removing the tedious unfun stuff. Sure it looks similar but I imagine it will play so much better

To each their own, I like that it is exactly like starcraft 2, that's what sold it for me.