Fear of Viper is real lol.

[Kashra Fall]

Streamer got to him, took 7 tries to beat phase 1. Saw there was a phase 2, alt f4'd lol.

[Leo K [Rogue]]

That was me during the Closed Beta... ^_^''
I think I literally said, "You have got to be joking" out loud at the time LOL.
Certainly an INTERESTING moment, heh.

[EmpathyandEntropy]

I think with Viper that the fight is so different than anything else in the game up until that point. Vipers attack cadence is all over the place and he does stuff that makes no sense. Like just stand there, holding his glaive over his head, sllloooooowwwwwlllllly swinging it at you. He'll smack his glaive into the ground and just look at you before the glaive practically teleports into an attack. Mid combo he'll spin around with his glaive whipping behind his back, but for some reason that's not an attack. I just beat him for the first time and I think the number 1 thought I had in my head is just "Why would anyone do that?" Before Viper, for every fight, I could basically just run in, stand toe to toe, start attacking and just brink block everything. Viper had me too confused to do that. Had to learn baiting attacks, dodging, and actually had to manage my stamina. I actually had to, like, try.

[电动天使]

His attacks aren't that hard to read. You also have a dragonkin enemy that has a part of his moveset and that should already prepare you a little bit.

[Thanor]

My disappointment at finding a boss with a 2nd phase so early in the game is immeasurable. There is nothing interesting about having two phases on an early game boss. Doesn't help this his lightning pull in move just shreds your ally, so that thing is worthless as well, great introduction to that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mechanic... Overall Viper seems like a terrible boss.

[grandma_moses]

Viper is Gascoigne, with all that entails, from a progression route design standpoint.

That also means that you laugh at him during subsequent playthroughs, which in turn must mean that he cannot really be as hard as advertised. qed.

[Zerixar]

tf am i reading....

Originally posted by EmpathyandEntropy:

I think with Viper that the fight is so different than anything else in the game up until that point. Vipers attack cadence is all over the place and he does stuff that makes no sense. Like just stand there, holding his glaive over his head, sllloooooowwwwwlllllly swinging it at you. He'll smack his glaive into the ground and just look at you before the glaive practically teleports into an attack. Mid combo he'll spin around with his glaive whipping behind his back, but for some reason that's not an attack. I just beat him for the first time and I think the number 1 thought I had in my head is just "Why would anyone do that?" Before Viper, for every fight, I could basically just run in, stand toe to toe, start attacking and just brink block everything. Viper had me too confused to do that. Had to learn baiting attacks, dodging, and actually had to manage my stamina. I actually had to, like, try.

bro... he's the 2nd boss in the game, wtf do you mean he's so different than everything else like that's some big departure from expectations? you've literlaly fought a tutorial boss teaching you the mechanics, and cleared basic trash mobs standing around the level, why would that be something to compare to? is this your first video game ever?

Originally posted by Thanor:

My disappointment at finding a boss with a 2nd phase so early in the game is immeasurable. There is nothing interesting about having two phases on an early game boss. Doesn't help this his lightning pull in move just shreds your ally, so that thing is worthless as well, great introduction to that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mechanic... Overall Viper seems like a terrible boss.

ah yes, you've encountered the tiniest bit of challenge so of course this means the boss is terrible. actual clown sh*t.

viper is there to let you know the mechanics you were supposed to learn in the tutorial are not optional, while providing a visually/theatrically cool fight that one ups itself. every boss is a test of how well you can learn and execute the game's mechanics to overcome whatever they're throwing at you. this is not a mash buttons brainlessly and win game. if your immediate reaction to literally the first speedbump or sign of difficulty is that that's bad design and should be ironed out of the game to cater to you, rather than you needing to learn the mechanics of the game and overcome it, and getting a rush from doing so, you're gonna need to rethink your mindset or you're gonna have a bad time.

[EmpathyandEntropy]

Viper is the fourth boss I fought. Did you skip some levels?

[Zerixar]

Originally posted by EmpathyandEntropy:

Viper is the fourth boss I fought. Did you skip some levels?

no he wasn't. blade phantom then viper are the first two actual bosses. maybe technically 2nd/3rd if you include yetuga, but he's mostly a bigger version of the normal yetis.

[EmpathyandEntropy]

Originally posted by 电动天使:

His attacks aren't that hard to read. You also have a dragonkin enemy that has a part of his moveset and that should already prepare you a little bit.

I mean, I blinked and that dragonkin was dead. Not that you don't have a point, just that I personally didn't learn anything from it.

I didn't think that they were hard to read as much as they were confusing, to me they just don't make sense. They seem unnatural. I just make it past Rangkus and so far, Viper really stands to me for just being goofy.

[EmpathyandEntropy]

Originally posted by Zerixar:

Originally posted by EmpathyandEntropy:

Viper is the fourth boss I fought. Did you skip some levels?

no he wasn't. blade phantom then viper are the first two actual bosses. maybe technically 2nd/3rd if you include yetuga, but he's mostly a bigger version of the normal yetis.

You're forgetting the bonus mission, bud.

[Zerixar]

Originally posted by EmpathyandEntropy:

Originally posted by Zerixar:

no he wasn't. blade phantom then viper are the first two actual bosses. maybe technically 2nd/3rd if you include yetuga, but he's mostly a bigger version of the normal yetis.

You're forgetting the bonus mission, bud.

are you talking about the blade phantom refight? why would you count that as an additional boss? it's there to let you farm the armor set from blade phantom if you want it

[EmpathyandEntropy]

I feel that if it has a unique identity within the game, that it's not the same boss. If you feel differently, that's okay too. Anyways I gotta work tomorrow so have a good night.

[Zerixar]

Originally posted by EmpathyandEntropy:

I feel that if it has a unique identity within the game, that it's not the same boss. If you feel differently, that's okay too. Anyways I gotta work tomorrow so have a good night.

yea not really, but whatever. just seemed weird to have fought a big yeti and two minor variations on the exact same boss, hit viper and go "he's different than anything else, i could go toe to toe with everything else" like that was an expectation to have and implying viper was out of place or unfair or something. But I've reread what you wrote, and i think i assumed a more whiny vibe on first read than i should have. If i'm reading it correctly now you were mostly just observing that he's the first kind of "new" thing you hit that makes you actually have to start learning and figuring things out and "trying", in which case i'd agree, and that's the point of him, and sorry for going all "l2p nub" on you because I assumed you were like the 2nd guy i quoted.

[grandma_moses]

Is there some Dunning Kruger going on here, what is happening? Aren't you like sub 10 hours in?

What on earth would possess you to with confidence lead a discussion citing 'unique identity within the game' and júdging 'this or that is a boss or this and that isn't' when you haven't seen one quarter of the game yet? That's totally ludicrous ^^

Metaphor time, mate - right now, you're the water boy. First you become QB, then you **** the homecoming queen. Not the other way around.

[ZexxCrine]

Originally posted by Zerixar:

Originally posted by EmpathyandEntropy:

Viper is the fourth boss I fought. Did you skip some levels?

no he wasn't. blade phantom then viper are the first two actual bosses. maybe technically 2nd/3rd if you include yetuga, but he's mostly a bigger version of the normal yetis.

By that logic viper isn’t a boss either. He is just a bigger double edged-butcher and then yeti