Lords of the Fallen vs Khazan ?

[☧ Voievod]

What would you recommend ?

How would you rate each by the following:
1. Difficulty
2. Replayability (NG+) after the first run
3. Different playstyles (classes)
4. Performance

[ForceKin]

Khazan is more difficult and has better performance imo. Replayability/Different playstyles would go to LotF. Currently there's only 3 weapon types to use in Khazan and they just differ in combos/defensive focus. There's not the kind of variety you'd expect from LotF or other souls likes where magic can be a playstyle of its own.

[Pnume]

Unless you're a Dark Souls 2 lover, LOTF is just a pile of trash.

1 - Khazan is in the top tier of difficulty for the genre but it has an easy mode.
LOTF difficulty is average

2 - Khazan has only 3 weapons but realistically they work more like full classes with their own skills trees and ton of depth. Replayability will depend on how much you want to explore the other weapons. The game itself won't change. LOTF, it's boring from start to finish. Not one boss that isn't trash. I'll never touch it again!

3 - Coming back to point 2, Khazan only 3 weapons but a lot of depth. LOTF lots of weapons but extremely shallow.

4 - Khazan perform well for me with a AMD GPU but apparently NVIDIA users have some stutter issues. LOTF performed pretty bad on release and crashed quite often but maybe they have fixed that now.

[khamthien251]

if you enjoy boss fight that too ez then you will enjoy LotF. Even the final boss in LotF doesn't fight you directly, lmao...

[Yoni the Hero]

LOTF is really bad, i def liked khazan more but both of them are just below average to okay.

[☧ Voievod]

Originally posted by Pnume:

Unless you're a Dark Souls 2 lover, LOTF is just a pile of trash.

1 - Khazan is in the top tier of difficulty for the genre but it has an easy mode.
LOTF difficulty is average

2 - Khazan has only 3 weapons but realistically they work more like full classes with their own skills trees and ton of depth. Replayability will depend on how much you want to explore the other weapons. The game itself won't change. LOTF, it's boring from start to finish. Not one boss that isn't trash. I'll never touch it again!

3 - Coming back to point 2, Khazan only 3 weapons but a lot of depth. LOTF lots of weapons but extremely shallow.

4 - Khazan perform well for me with a AMD GPU but apparently NVIDIA users have some stutter issues. LOTF performed pretty bad on release and crashed quite often but maybe they have fixed that now.

Are you taking into account the 2.0 update for LotF ?

[☧ Voievod]

Originally posted by Yoni the Hero:

LOTF is really bad, i def liked khazan more but both of them are just below average to okay.

Winner: Sekiro ? xD

[Pnume]

Originally posted by ☧ Voievod:

Originally posted by Pnume:

Unless you're a Dark Souls 2 lover, LOTF is just a pile of trash.

1 - Khazan is in the top tier of difficulty for the genre but it has an easy mode.
LOTF difficulty is average

2 - Khazan has only 3 weapons but realistically they work more like full classes with their own skills trees and ton of depth. Replayability will depend on how much you want to explore the other weapons. The game itself won't change. LOTF, it's boring from start to finish. Not one boss that isn't trash. I'll never touch it again!

3 - Coming back to point 2, Khazan only 3 weapons but a lot of depth. LOTF lots of weapons but extremely shallow.

4 - Khazan perform well for me with a AMD GPU but apparently NVIDIA users have some stutter issues. LOTF performed pretty bad on release and crashed quite often but maybe they have fixed that now.

Are you taking into account the 2.0 update for LotF ?

No but from the notice they published, I didnt see anything that would change my mind on the game. The game design issues are too deep.

[Yoni the Hero]

Originally posted by ☧ Voievod:

Originally posted by Yoni the Hero:

LOTF is really bad, i def liked khazan more but both of them are just below average to okay.

Winner: Sekiro ? xD

My holy trinity of best soulslikes would be nioh, LOP and probably black myth (might be something else but i forgot), sekiro is a FS game so id consider it part of "souls" and not "soulslikes".

Nioh is a perfect pair of games and they make khazan seem like low budget discount nioh (even tho both niohs even on release were cheaper). Altho i do enjoy khazan to an extent, i have 1500 hours on both nioh games and i sometimes go back there still, while ill most likely drop khazan the moment i kill ozma. Its much less about the difficulty, but more about the fun factor.

[TCSyd]

1. Lords of the Fallen is quite easy outside of a few moments of enemy spam in the levels. Any difficulty that presents itself is more likely to produce frustration rather than satisfaction, I'd say. Regardless, it doesn't begin to compare to Khazan's difficulty, especially insofar as the challenge level making the game more engaging.

2. Replayability probably goes to Khazan here because of some additions in NG+, particularly item rarity. LotF does have some challenge modifiers that may encourage replayability depending on how enjoyable you find the game to be in general.

3. Depends what you mean here. Khazan has vastly more combat depth than Lords of the Fallen, but if you want to play a spellcaster, for example, then there's basically nothing to support that in Khazan. For what it's worth, LotF actually has a pretty good magic system.

4. I haven't had any issues with Khazan's performance beyond a few mild stutters. I haven't played LotF on PC, but the performance was quite bad on PS5. I imagine it's much better by now, especially with 2.0's release, but I would recommend looking more into this.

Personally, I would rate Lords of the Fallen rather poorly, like a 5/10 at best, but I haven't played 2.0. Still, I have serious doubts that it's that much better than release, given how fundamentally flawed I think the game is from a design standpoint.

I'd give Khazan like an 8.5/10, with room to easily go higher if the developers release some quality content updates/DLC.

[Roumata]

no match, lords of the fallen. i don't understand at all the answers above. Lords of the fallen is very good game, and not that easy and NG + are great. To all who answers above, did you really play LOTF ? it is quite impossible with your answers, unless you played it for few hours and just trashed it, but no, LOTF beats Khazan on all points, and is near some of the best dark soul's like game.
Btw, i have 130 hours on LOTF and i'm at 31 in Khazan (not a bad game, but not as good as LOTF)
LOTF has a much more depth story, much better graphics and much better gameplay of combat !t is crazy to read some of the commentaries above.

[Yoni the Hero]

Originally posted by Roumata:

no match, lords of the fallen. i don't understand at all the answers above. Lords of the fallen is very good game, and not that easy and NG + are great. To all who answers above, did you really play LOTF ? it is quite impossible with your answers, unless you played it for few hours and just trashed it, but no, LOTF beats Khazan on all points, and is near some of the best dark soul's like game.
Btw, i have 130 hours on LOTF and i'm at 31 in Khazan (not a bad game, but not as good as LOTF)
LOTF has a much more depth story, much better graphics and much better gameplay of combat !t is crazy to read some of the commentaries above.

LOTF is everything thats bad with this subgenre, and its mindnumbingly easy, i have 185 hours in LOTF. you deserve and should play better games

[ForceKin]

Originally posted by Roumata:

no match, lords of the fallen. i don't understand at all the answers above. Lords of the fallen is very good game, and not that easy and NG + are great. To all who answers above, did you really play LOTF ? it is quite impossible with your answers, unless you played it for few hours and just trashed it, but no, LOTF beats Khazan on all points, and is near some of the best dark soul's like game.
Btw, i have 130 hours on LOTF and i'm at 31 in Khazan (not a bad game, but not as good as LOTF)
LOTF has a much more depth story, much better graphics and much better gameplay of combat !t is crazy to read some of the commentaries above.

I also really liked LotF but it's a much easier game. By like the 3rd boss I expected to one shot every boss and did for all but like 3 of them, which never took more than maybe 3-5 attempts. It's a cool game and I like the level design a lot more than in Khazan, but every time I think of replaying it, I just remember being super underwhelmed by all the boss fights.

Khazan, on the other hand, has much more rewarding combat and boss fights. I'd have to wonder how far you've gotten in Khazan if you think LotF has better combat.

[I_come_in_peace]

I really liked Lords of the Fallen and think it's very underrated. But Khazan has the much, much better and complex fighting system and boss design. It's also way more difficult and upleveling only gets you so far. You need to get really skilled to beat it. But in terms of visuals, level/world design and atmosphere Lords of the Fallen is superior. Khazan's levels are almost exactly like Nioh's, based on missions and often re-using previous levels; it does not have an interconnected world. Khazan is a blast to play with truly exhilerating fights but rather uninspired levels and almost no exploration, while LotF is all about that special Dark Souls feeling that dares you to peek around the next corner (or into the Umbral world).
In the end I like them both a lot for different reasons and would replay either of them (given time).

[TCSyd]

Originally posted by Roumata:

To all who answers above, did you really play LOTF ?

*sigh* What a desperate question. Yes, I played it and finished it.

[khamthien251]

Originally posted by Roumata:

no match, lords of the fallen. i don't understand at all the answers above. Lords of the fallen is very good game, and not that easy and NG + are great. To all who answers above, did you really play LOTF ? it is quite impossible with your answers, unless you played it for few hours and just trashed it, but no, LOTF beats Khazan on all points, and is near some of the best dark soul's like game.
Btw, i have 130 hours on LOTF and i'm at 31 in Khazan (not a bad game, but not as good as LOTF)
LOTF has a much more depth story, much better graphics and much better gameplay of combat !t is crazy to read some of the commentaries above.

can you bring the final boss down to fight me instead of talking about 5 minutes and dies? =] lmao...