Improve Trokka fight

[sgrey]

Whoever designed this fight is a mad genius. Just the idea of a ranged, constantly evading enemy in a melee combat game is mind-blowing. Obviously everyone will love to chase after an enemy who runs teleports away while shooting deadly projectiles at you.
The color scheme made to blend in with the environment and the whole character looks the same so that you aren't able to see the character and what she does clearly.
You constantly get your stamina reduced in a fight where you have to run around and dodge a lot.

So, taking all those awesome genius design decisions, I recommend to improve on them.
- Make her teleport at a larger distance. Preferably diagonally across the arena.
- Change her colors to make he blend in with the arena more, or better yet - make her completely invisible and only show something when you are about to get hit.
- Lock the stamina bar completely. What kind of berserker needs movement? No, we must stay in one place and parry everything until she teleports to us with the burst attack, so we can finally parry her and do some direct damage.
I bet everyone will love this fight so much more!

p.s. for those who are going to write about skill issue: I killed her already. The fight is not even hard, just damn annoying.

[Crescent Dusk]

The problem as well is that Khazan is an absolute snail and all your long distance gap closers consume spirit.

You're slower than regular trash mobs in attacking, even with dual wield, and then in combat your movement speed is glacial and sprinting consumes stamina, so when you get to hit the boss you don't have stamina to do so in between the blocks and sprinting LOL.

I thought Trokka was bad, and then Bellerian was even worse jumping around 24/7 and putting huge aoe blind and explosive runes under her on top of "blinding" you with a reduced field of view effect.

[Mugiwara]

It's annoying fight for greartsword only.

[sgrey]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Mugiwara:

It's annoying fight for greartsword only.

I am running dual-wielding and it was annoying. I imagine for gs there a good tactic as well that makes it easily winnable

[sgrey]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Crescent Dusk:

The problem as well is that Khazan is an absolute snail and all your long distance gap closers consume spirit.

You're slower than regular trash mobs in attacking, even with dual wield, and then in combat your movement speed is glacial and sprinting consumes stamina, so when you get to hit the boss you don't have stamina to do so in between the blocks and sprinting LOL.

I thought Trokka was bad, and then Bellerian was even worse jumping around 24/7 and putting huge aoe blind and explosive runes under her on top of "blinding" you with a reduced field of view effect.

Yea, as the game progresses, the fights become more gimmicky. I liked almost all earlier bosses, except the "*ingkus brothers". Those were horrible fights. Trokka is also bad.

[Mugiwara]

The problem for me was that i prefer brink guard and charge attacks and Trokka rarely give the opportunity to you, i had to change build a little bit to use dodge abilities. It least she has low hp. You have to be very patient.

Opprinnelig skrevet av sgrey:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Mugiwara:

It's annoying fight for greartsword only.

I am running dual-wielding and it was annoying. I imagine for gs there a good tactic as well that makes it easily winnable

[sgrey]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Mugiwara:

The problem for me was that i prefer brink guard and charge attacks and Trokka rarely give the opportunity to you, i had to change build a little bit to use dodge abilities. It least she has low hp. You have to be very patient.

Opprinnelig skrevet av sgrey:

I am running dual-wielding and it was annoying. I imagine for gs there a good tactic as well that makes it easily winnable

That is pretty much the whole core of the problem for everyone in the fight. This whole game is premised on guarding/dodging and counterattacking/punishing and most enemies run towards you or stay in place. Here she runs away all the time. OK, not all the time, she sometimes teleports over. But it's too rare to consider a tactic where you just wait for her. The fight will probably take 20 minutes or more.

[General Teemo]

boss is designed to be fought as spear user. got her first try as spear. 3hrs fail as gs(main)

[ZexxCrine]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Mugiwara:

It's annoying fight for greartsword only.

its literally not.

[ZexxCrine]

Opprinnelig skrevet av General Teemo:

boss is designed to be fought as spear user. got her first try as spear. 3hrs fail as gs(main)

thats a really odd take. how do you justify that opinion? what screams "made for spear" about it?

each weapon has an insane invincible gap closer spirit skill if you want to go that route. every weapon can also just run at her and punish her after every ranged attack

furthermore if you instead back away from her she will teleport to you and attack you in melee. I don't understand what the spear does in any of those categories better than any other weapon?

[General Teemo]

Opprinnelig skrevet av ZexxCrine:

Opprinnelig skrevet av General Teemo:

boss is designed to be fought as spear user. got her first try as spear. 3hrs fail as gs(main)

thats a really odd take. how do you justify that opinion? what screams "made for spear" about it?

each weapon has an insane invincible gap closer spirit skill if you want to go that route. every weapon can also just run at her and punish her after every ranged attack

furthermore if you instead back away from her she will teleport to you and attack you in melee. I don't understand what the spear does in any of those categories better than any other weapon?

you can stun lock the boss with spear from 100% stamina(boss stamina) to 0%. can you do that with gs?

[Mugiwara]

Opprinnelig skrevet av ZexxCrine:

Opprinnelig skrevet av General Teemo:

boss is designed to be fought as spear user. got her first try as spear. 3hrs fail as gs(main)

thats a really odd take. how do you justify that opinion? what screams "made for spear" about it?

each weapon has an insane invincible gap closer spirit skill if you want to go that route. every weapon can also just run at her and punish her after every ranged attack

furthermore if you instead back away from her she will teleport to you and attack you in melee. I don't understand what the spear does in any of those categories better than any other weapon?

Gap close with gs? What is that skill?

[Teorus]

First of all you must be prepared to this fight, with good epic items/item set from your blacksmith, and roll some damage/stamina damage bonuses. Ofc you need 2 pieces of jewelry with water resistance (you must find at least one when you clear this level). Consumables can make fight easier too, like additional fire damage for your weapon or water resistance flask (but i often forgot to use them lol).

Then my experience as GS main only.
I use full item set from Maluca, that gives me free hp regen after brink guard, also buff my damage and stamina damage a lot.
All what you need to understand when fight vs Trokka that you CAN counterstrike almost all her attacks, even ranged, and if you will be close when you do that, you knock her and can chain your attack into armor breaker, but don't be greedy.

Dodge her grab attack, it is easy because she do it after guarding with umbrella. If you bad with perfect dodge, just jump back 2-3 times.

Do not use charged attack after armor breaker, only fast attacks. And use often combat cadence (fast double attack after dodge) into fast mortal blow.

When she summon raining clouds, you can throw javelin to fully interrupt this attack.

When she fly around and shoot fast at you, you have 2 options - you can stand on blue jellyfish and just block full attack chain (but you get cheap damage), or you can just dodge all this attacks. Blue jellyfish gives you infinity stamina.

Try to not fail special counterattack into enemy burst attack. She has three burst attacks - charge from big distance with umbrella, easy to read/ charge after flying around and shooting, easy to read/ and burst attack after 3-4 water slashes, this one a bit hard to read so i often fail it.

Killed her after one hour at normal difficulty with GS, only because i am a slow learner.
Counterstrike overpowered.

[ZexxCrine]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Mugiwara:

Opprinnelig skrevet av ZexxCrine:

thats a really odd take. how do you justify that opinion? what screams "made for spear" about it?

each weapon has an insane invincible gap closer spirit skill if you want to go that route. every weapon can also just run at her and punish her after every ranged attack

furthermore if you instead back away from her she will teleport to you and attack you in melee. I don't understand what the spear does in any of those categories better than any other weapon?

Gap close with gs? What is that skill?

I forget the name. It’s in the dash tree I believe. They do a quick moving spin slash that when upgraded can chain into dash attacks. It’s invincible. If you hold left or right when doing it instead of neutral or forward you will do a half circle around your locked target which is really nice to get to the back of enemies for extra damage. Cool skill and great combo tool.

[Welkrow]

I made two run already. First with GS second with Spear. And yeah. Her and some other boss like her that like to kite you are a pain in the *ss for GS

[ZexxCrine]

Opprinnelig skrevet av General Teemo:

Opprinnelig skrevet av ZexxCrine:

thats a really odd take. how do you justify that opinion? what screams "made for spear" about it?

each weapon has an insane invincible gap closer spirit skill if you want to go that route. every weapon can also just run at her and punish her after every ranged attack

furthermore if you instead back away from her she will teleport to you and attack you in melee. I don't understand what the spear does in any of those categories better than any other weapon?

you can stun lock the boss with spear from 100% stamina(boss stamina) to 0%. can you do that with gs?

Not really. She tends to jump out or umbrella guard. Doesn’t really matter though because she dies in 3 ish combos

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