i wonder if we get a dlc or a sequel , the story left out alot

[Delaborga]

the blade phantoms side of the story with charon is left on the table as a potential boss.

him being chained again by charon should also be something we explore.

a tour to the netherworld would be sick,

and by the end of the game you also see khazan saying he still has his revenge/vengeance. so i assume after we learn the truth by the ending there is more left undone

[Mike]

Well they have free DLC planned for May I believe, but not sure that that includes (hope fully new weapon types/skill trees and gear).

As far as the story is concerned I believe everything with Khazans story is wrapped up but it was heavily hinted at that the entire prophecy was preplanned by some ulterior force, potentially Charon since we never really see any interaction with him.

It would be cool if a sequel/DLC expansion followed up after these events where Khzan and Phantom Blade team up to take down the real master mind Charon.

[You]

Originally posted by Delaborga:

the blade phantoms side of the story with charon is left on the table as a potential boss.

him being chained again by charon should also be something we explore.

a tour to the netherworld would be sick,

and by the end of the game you also see khazan saying he still has his revenge/vengeance. so i assume after we learn the truth by the ending there is more left undone

Maybe we got different endings. In my ending, killing his best friend weighed on him heavily, and he’s basically done—except for Phantom Blade saying chaos is still out there and he needs to fulfill the pact. But fighting Charon isn’t part of the pact, so that’s not going to happen—at least in my ending.

[You]

Originally posted by Mike:

Well they have free DLC planned for May I believe, but not sure that that includes (hope fully new weapon types/skill trees and gear).

As far as the story is concerned I believe everything with Khazans story is wrapped up but it was heavily hinted at that the entire prophecy was preplanned by some ulterior force, potentially Charon since we never really see any interaction with him.

It would be cool if a sequel/DLC expansion followed up after these events where Khzan and Phantom Blade team up to take down the real master mind Charon.

From my understanding, Chaos was the mastermind behind it all(Ozma actually saying that in his notebook kinda). Charon doesn’t make any sense to me—like, why would he send you to destroy his own plan? Lmao.

[Mike]

Originally posted by You:

Originally posted by Mike:

Well they have free DLC planned for May I believe, but not sure that that includes (hope fully new weapon types/skill trees and gear).

As far as the story is concerned I believe everything with Khazans story is wrapped up but it was heavily hinted at that the entire prophecy was preplanned by some ulterior force, potentially Charon since we never really see any interaction with him.

It would be cool if a sequel/DLC expansion followed up after these events where Khzan and Phantom Blade team up to take down the real master mind Charon.

From my understanding, Chaos was the mastermind behind it all(Ozma actually saying that in his notebook kinda). Charon doesn’t make any sense to me—like, why would he send you to destroy his own plan? Lmao.

No I got the true ending just like you, but I am just trying to piece together who the mastermind is who orchestrated the entire thing. I never got that "Chaos" was an entity of their own, and nothing in the game hints at that from my knowledge.

However many times Blade Phantom speaks about the creatures being from the underworld (where he and Charon are from). its also hinted at many times that Phantom Blade has tried to rebel against Charon so now that Khazan and Phantom are on the same path (vengeance) we may find out more information about who and what Charon really is.

Maybe i'm wrong but after getting the true ending, where it was hinted at that there was something behind the entire ordeal (prophecy) the ONLY character we did not hear or see anything more about was the elusive Charon, so my personal idea is that it was all part of his grand plan.

[Anime]

I hope not.

[Duwang Lover]

Yeah knowing DnF Lore, it felt like there was still stuff missing. Like how does Khazan become the God of Destruction that curses other Slayers to the Beserking Frenzy ya know

[kostasdx]

Unfortunately you won't be able to piece together who the mastermind is based on this game alone. The game is based on the DFO universe (haven't played DFO myself) and there are still a lot of things left for us to explore in relation to Khazan and Chaos (from what sources I could find at least).

I really hope we get a dlc that explores the overall lore more with Charon and the mastermind as well as how Khazan becomes the "God of Destruction".

[Roxasr]

Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by You:

From my understanding, Chaos was the mastermind behind it all(Ozma actually saying that in his notebook kinda). Charon doesn’t make any sense to me—like, why would he send you to destroy his own plan? Lmao.

No I got the true ending just like you, but I am just trying to piece together who the mastermind is who orchestrated the entire thing. I never got that "Chaos" was an entity of their own, and nothing in the game hints at that from my knowledge.

However many times Blade Phantom speaks about the creatures being from the underworld (where he and Charon are from). its also hinted at many times that Phantom Blade has tried to rebel against Charon so now that Khazan and Phantom are on the same path (vengeance) we may find out more information about who and what Charon really is.

Maybe i'm wrong but after getting the true ending, where it was hinted at that there was something behind the entire ordeal (prophecy) the ONLY character we did not hear or see anything more about was the elusive Charon, so my personal idea is that it was all part of his grand plan.

Uhh, If you see the scene of the true ending after reading the diary / examining the picture, phantom talks about how Ozma was manipulated and that there is a Mastermind behind it all. Ozma discovering the "Eye" is what leads him to Chaos.

Also before the story even begins, the reason the Emperor "betrays", exiles, tries to execute you (you as in, Khazan), is due to the prophecy of a fortune teller. It is also heavily implied that the Ozma that frames Khazan as a traitor to the emperor is also this same fortune teller . If you read Ozma's notes (The orange collectibles) he actually talks about this.

Charon, is the ruler and master (God maybe?) of the Underworld, and the whole reason why he sends Phantom out is that the influence of Chaos in the Living world is messing with balance of things, due to chaos corrupted beings having their souls obliterated instead of going to the Underworld as they should when they die. This Alone makes it so Charon would have absolutely no incentive to be the mastermind behind it all.

You also mention how Phantom talks about the creatures from the Underworld being around, This is false. The creatures running around are either A) Beings that were corrupted by Chaos or B) beings from OTHER Dimensions, NOT the Underworld specifically.

And at the end of the day, all of this is meaningless discussion because the game is based on DNF Lore and you could even call it a prequel of that game. The Eye symbol represents the Goddess Hilda, an Evil goddess. The fortune teller / the Ozma impersonator is most likely her messing things. Either her or some Follower of her.

[Mike]

Originally posted by Roxasr:

Uhh, If you see the scene of the true ending after reading the diary / examining the picture, phantom talks about how Ozma was manipulated and that there is a Mastermind behind it all. Ozma descovering the "Eye" symbol that is the representation of Chaos is what leads to the events in the game.

Also before the story even begins, the reason the Emperor "betrays", exiles, tries to execute you (you as in, Khazan), is due to the prophecy of a fortune teller. It is also heavily implied that the Ozma that frames Khazan as a traitor to the emperor is also this same fortune teller . If you read Ozma's notes (The orange collectibles) he actually talks about this.

Charon, is the ruler and master (God maybe?) of the Underworld, and the whole reason why he sends Phantom out is that the influence of Chaos in the Living world is messing with balance of things, due to chaos corrupted beings having their souls obliterated instead of going to the Underworld as they should when they die. This Alone makes it so Charon would have absolutely no incentive to be the mastermind behind it all.

And at the end of the day, all of this is meaningless discussion because the game is based on DNF Lore and you could even call it a prequel of that game. The Eye symbol represents the Goddess Hilda, an Evil goddess. The fortune teller / the Ozma impersonator is most likely her messing things. Either her or some Follower of her.

I've looked more into the DNF lore and I believe you are right in regards to who the mastermind behind the entire prophecy is.

However without outside knowledge its pretty easy to place blame on a Mysterious figure like Charon as the game really gives us NOTHING on him outside of the intro. The game also focuses a lot on Blade Phantom wanting to over throw Charon for reasons not mentioned.

[ssj grumpig]

From talking to the NPCs (particularly Blade Phantom) after completing the last mission, it definitely sounds like we aren't done yet

[Roxasr]

Originally posted by Mike:

I've looked more into the DNF lore and I believe you are right in regards to who the mastermind behind the entire prophecy is.

However without outside knowledge its pretty easy to place blame on a Mysterious figure like Charon as the game really gives us NOTHING on him outside of the intro. The game also focuses a lot on Blade Phantom wanting to over throw Charon for reasons not mentioned.

I'm sorry but that is not how I interpreted the story at all so I can't agree with you.
With the information you are given in dialogue and cut-scenes, The story explains why Phantom was sent by Charon to deal with the problems that are happening, and why it is bad for the Underworld (And living world of course), for Chaos to be around. Why would Charon as the ruler and master of the Underworld, make a plan to destroy his very dimension and screw with the balance of the world, and then send someone to put a stop to it ? Keep in mind that not only does he send Phantom to deal with what's happening, but he also (Presumably) sends Daphrona over, and she as Charon's "assistant" constantly assist you.

Also Phantom rebelling against Charon is very In-character for him, because he is portrayed as a battle hungry maniac composed of the souls of such battle maniacs. He "rebels" because he wants to fight and Charon quite literally keeps him chained in the Underworld.

[Mike]

Originally posted by ssj grumpig:

From talking to the NPCs (particularly Blade Phantom) after completing the last mission, it definitely sounds like we aren't done yet

Oh I 100% believe this is setting up for a big paid DLC or sequel Khazan was JUST becoming the Berzerker at the end of the game.

[Mike]

Originally posted by Roxasr:

I'm sorry but that is not how I interpreted the story at all so I can't agree with you.

Not sure what your "sorry" about as if you read I mostly agreed with your explanation of the story/events.

There is nothing to argue against because I already conceded my take was wrong......

[Roxasr]

Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by Roxasr:

I'm sorry but that is not how I interpreted the story at all so I can't agree with you.

Not sure what your "sorry" about as if you read I mostly agreed with your explanation of the story/events.

There is nothing to argue against because I already conceded my take was wrong......

It was in regards to you saying that without outside knowledge its easy to place blame on Charon as behind the scenes manipulator.

[Mike]

Originally posted by Roxasr:

Originally posted by Mike:

Not sure what your "sorry" about as if you read I mostly agreed with your explanation of the story/events.

There is nothing to argue against because I already conceded my take was wrong......

It was in regards to you saying that without outside knowledge its easy to place blame on Charon as behind the scenes manipulator.

I was simply saying that the most mysterious character in the game we got was Charon and his overall character is kept very vague only telling the player the most basic thing. So if we had to choose from the characters ONLY the game tells us about I would have place bets on Charon doing something shady behind the scenes.

Its not unusual for antagonists to hide their schemes behind a facade, to fullfil some ultimate plan/goal, so I still don't think my view of Charon was off basis or made no sense. It would have been a nice twist that the entity we were working for, was setting up for something else.

Also answer me one thing. There was a side mission specifically to get the sword for the Blade Phantom and the girl clearly said that the onlky reason we could get the sword was because Charon allowed it and will take it back if he wanted to.

Well in the true ending when the sword is stabbed into the guy, his tear does something to the sword that is really not explained, and its almost as if that was part of the prophecy as well.