M***** F***** VIPER

[Chopper]

Took me 20-25 tries to beat his a**, wtf is wrong with his moveset??? It didnt seem particularly difficult but he kept wiping the floor with me! Was it the movement and combat? Was it input lag? (Cant be, I disabled FG and Boost) or was it just nerves?

If this boss was so tough wtf are the rest of the bosses like???

[ReadyNick]

I had a tough time with Viper, but just wait till the goat personally I found the goat harder ;)

[Chopper]

Dont talk to me like im a newb, Ive beat:-
Sekiro,
DS 1,2,3,
Elden Ring,
Black Myth Wukong
and plenty more, all with keyboard and mouse but this games got some issue, its not as snappy and responsive, not doing exactly what I want when I need it to.

[Tourette's Guy]

This boss does not feel like a fair challenge. It just feels like pure BS. Two health bars on an already extremely durable enemy is not a good idea, specially when that enemy is exceptionally strong.

[Dregora]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Chopper:

Dont talk to me like im a newb, Ive beat:-
Sekiro,
DS 1,2,3,
Elden Ring,
Black Myth Wukong
and plenty more, all with keyboard and mouse but this games got some issue, its not as snappy and responsive, not doing exactly what I want when I need it to.

You're clearly a newb if you can't adjust to how the game works differently. Learn how the combat works, where you can cancel out of and where you can't. What works and what doesn't. The game is responsive but I think you're confusing the lack of responsiveness for certain animation lock during attacks. Pretty sure you cannot dodge out of everything.

Learn the game. If you genuinely beat all those games without relying on cheese, this should not be an issue at all.

[Tourette's Guy]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dregora:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Chopper:

Dont talk to me like im a newb, Ive beat:-
Sekiro,
DS 1,2,3,
Elden Ring,
Black Myth Wukong
and plenty more, all with keyboard and mouse but this games got some issue, its not as snappy and responsive, not doing exactly what I want when I need it to.

You're clearly a newb if you can't adjust to how the game works differently. Learn how the combat works, where you can cancel out of and where you can't. What works and what doesn't. The game is responsive but I think you're confusing the lack of responsiveness for certain animation lock during attacks. Pretty sure you cannot dodge out of everything.

Learn the game. If you genuinely beat all those games without relying on cheese, this should not be an issue at all.

This is not aboud adjusting to game mechanics. Viper is completely broken and it's not a fun challenge. It feels like an uphill battle where you are a mere and against a tiger. Your attacks just deal scratches to his health bar, and in top of that, he has TWO damn health bars. And you only have four heals.

This fight is completely unfair and honestly, I'm thinking about dropping the game because this does not feel right. This boss is unnecessarily difficult. I could somewhat understand it if it was the final boss. But this is an early game boss. It's insane.

[thorin.hannahs]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tourette's Guy:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dregora:

You're clearly a newb if you can't adjust to how the game works differently. Learn how the combat works, where you can cancel out of and where you can't. What works and what doesn't. The game is responsive but I think you're confusing the lack of responsiveness for certain animation lock during attacks. Pretty sure you cannot dodge out of everything.

Learn the game. If you genuinely beat all those games without relying on cheese, this should not be an issue at all.

This is not aboud adjusting to game mechanics. Viper is completely broken and it's not a fun challenge. It feels like an uphill battle where you are a mere and against a tiger. Your attacks just deal scratches to his health bar, and in top of that, he has TWO damn health bars. And you only have four heals.

This fight is completely unfair and honestly, I'm thinking about dropping the game because this does not feel right. This boss is unnecessarily difficult. I could somewhat understand it if it was the final boss. But this is an early game boss. It's insane.

You say he is completely broken. I say he isn't as I cleared him in about 10 attempts and first tried his phase 2. This is on normal. My spear and parry absolutely ruined Viper. Each boss after Viper gets progressively more difficult which is appropriate. Spider McBoss and Marluca were solid walls to me for about an hour or more. None of the bosses have been broken I just needed to put time in so my training arc could complete.

[2Fresh]

There's a very real skill threshold that players just haven't quite "clicked" yet when facing this boss. What helped me was when I started using the reflect counter (LB+triangle/Y). There's a delay to connect your weapon to meet Viper's, but he's slow enough you can predict it. It CHONKs his posture bar and immediately lets you unleash a few combos on him. I would start practicing using the counter more instead of just brink guards, which seems to be what a lot of new players are doing.

Perfect guards do just too little chip damage and you only have access to so few combos that early on. It's meant for the fast moves, but for a windup you know is coming, try to practice the reflect counter, it does like third of their posture bar.

[Mecharion]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Chopper:

Took me 20-25 tries to beat his a**, wtf is wrong with his moveset??? It didnt seem particularly difficult but he kept wiping the floor with me! Was it the movement and combat? Was it input lag? (Cant be, I disabled FG and Boost) or was it just nerves?

If this boss was so tough wtf are the rest of the bosses like???

Same. The hitbox of the twinblade feelt off. Very hard to parry.

[NOSTRI]

As "The First Berserker: Khazan" may be the first game of this type in my library, I have to admit that Viper (yes, I know that before the nerf he was even harder) gave me a real hard time.

The first stage was quite okay, the next one
is demanding (I'll call it a mutation because that's what it looked like) and you had to watch where his damn eyes were.

But defeating him gave me a hell of a lot of satisfaction. I felt that after that I understood what was going on and the next boss would be easier. And that's how I met Mr. Goat who wiped the floor with my face many times.

From what I know, the more demanding part of the game is only starting now. Well, it looks great.

[Mr. Boy]

The goat is definitely way harder. Super spongy.

[gonk]

For anyone struggling with Viper; get the full Hunter armor set. It helps A LOT. You can get it by grinding the red guys you can summon in the second-to-last bonfire in the temple.

[Noel]

I hate to tell you but if you played Sekiro (I have not, but I understand Lies of P was very reminiscent of it and thus, this), you should know how this song and dance goes by now. Brink guard check to break their poise and then you start slamming down the damage by accumulating your spirit and expending a bunch of it to do a sick ass combo. You can even do this after brink guarding enough times OUTSIDE of poise break bc you staggered the boss and are able to do a combo for free.

Depending on your weapon, you can even deal some decent counter attack damage in between brink guards/brink dodges. I used greatsword, and I used the counter double slash thing to great effect myself.

Viper is meant to be a wall, because if you think this boss is hard, just wait until the game will require you to brink guard, and then to brink dodge to avoid status build ups, as well as grabs more often in boss fights, or multi brink guards in succession, or ect.
You have to be ready and Viper is there to show you that.
A wall is necessary so that you learn how to actually play the game and are then granted the tools to thrive, sorry.

[Soulkey]

Khazan can be "brute-forced" like many Fromsoft games (aside from Sekiro) if you are struggling then just grind some levels.

The Snake guy in front of the door can be backstabbed then bashed to death in a few seconds so you can farm him if you need some quick levels.

Since skill points capped at Lvl 16 until you beat Viper, reset the stuff you don't need and focus the points on skills that are more impactful....Javelin was quite useful.

[Kisama]

what is wrong with 20-25 tries ? It didn't take me that but it sounds like a good time getting better at games.
How about instead of raging every time you die, learn from your mistakes and enjoy your immortality.

I sentence you to 5 years hard Roguelike to get used to dying without raging.

The stories are worth more with challenge, the game is worth more with challenge. Work on it.

[Kabaale]

The only "difficult" thing with Viper is the fact that you CAN'T see 50% of his attacks.
If by magic you can erase the fog/snow myst : He is mid at best.