Crimson Viper need help

[Apple.Seed]

I can get to second phase but im out of healing. Is great sword not really great? is there a must need skill I am missing like in Sekiro?

[Tully]

Diposting pertama kali oleh sgrey:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tully:

That reflection skill is terrible

Reflection is absolutely awesome. I've killed many bosses primarily with that skill. If you think it's terrible, you simply do not know how to use it.

So option A) use reflection and half the time it works and the other time it doesn't and if it fails I lose 30-50% of my hp.

Option B) dodge with i frames.

I've sort of noticed with bosses that hp is pretty much pointless, all it ends up doing is making it so you have to do like 50+ perfect timing dodges and blocks per a boss battle.

I'd much rather just go pure DPS and only have to land 20 perfect dodges.

[Apple.Seed]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tully:

Diposting pertama kali oleh sgrey:

Reflection is absolutely awesome. I've killed many bosses primarily with that skill. If you think it's terrible, you simply do not know how to use it.

So option A) use reflection and half the time it works and the other time it doesn't and if it fails I lose 30-50% of my hp.

Option B) dodge with i frames.

I've sort of noticed with bosses that hp is pretty much pointless, all it ends up doing is making it so you have to do like 50+ perfect timing dodges and blocks per a boss battle.

I'd much rather just go pure DPS and only have to land 20 perfect dodges.

reflection doesnt even work 1/4 of the time.

[Angarvin]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Apple.Seed:

Is great sword not really great?

gs is great, but it's parry based. (at least in the first half of the game)
if you're more comfortable with dodge, then i'd suggest using the spear. it has double dodges through swift attacks.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Apple.Seed:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tully:

That reflection skill is terrible

I will agree reflection is terrible.

actually i think reflection is great specifically on viper. his attacks are slow, have more or less the same wind up time and 1 reflection halves his stamina bar, so you only need 2 for a brutal attack.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Apple.Seed:

reflection doesnt even work 1/4 of the time.

personally i found reflection very consistent.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Apple.Seed:

Crimson Viper need help

i was also struggling, but then remembered that the phantom mechanic was introduced right before the boss. i went back through the level and fought phantoms - they drop gear, so i managed to get 4 pieces of a hunter set, which provides +20 attack and +25% damage againts dragonkin. combined it increased my damage by 40%.

when viper plants his glaive like a flag before doing a 5 hit combo - if you parry the last hit of that combo, viper gets stunned and goes on his knee. alternatively you can charge your potent attack as he twirls his glaive before going into combo - with "manifest power" that increases its range you can be outside of vipers twirl animation but still land the potent attack on him, which in turn interrupts his whole combo. it's free damage.

counterstrike (not counterattack) is very easy to land on all viper's jumps (both high and low). high jumps have a screach that plays right before the attack lands. low jumps have viper slow down in midair right before the strike. those are the timing you want to aim for.
both of these jumps have the same timings in vipers second phase - that why mastering these is usefull.

i'd also suggest learning "furious swipe". it can be used on viper's grab attacks for some damage.
good thing about furious swipe and counterstrike is that they refund energy used if done perfectly. which is actually a unique gs feature and why i say that it's a parry based weapon - you can skill parry foverer.

and that's how the entire fight went for me. 2 reflects into brutal strike were enough to put viper into his 1.5 phase. next is like a dozen counterstrikes for jumps and a couple more reflects for regular attacks, which leads to phase two.
phase 2 you can just block untill he either plants his fist or his sword, which are opening to land potent blows. at phase 2.5 it's back to counterstrikes for jumps while keeping potent blows and big openings.

[Apple.Seed]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Angarvin:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Apple.Seed:

Is great sword not really great?

gs is great, but it's parry based. (at least in the first half of the game)
if you're more comfortable with dodge, then i'd suggest using the spear. it has double dodges through swift attacks.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Apple.Seed:

I will agree reflection is terrible.

actually i think reflection is great specifically on viper. his attacks are slow, have more or less the same wind up time and 1 reflection halves his stamina bar, so you only need 2 for a brutal attack.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Apple.Seed:

reflection doesnt even work 1/4 of the time.

personally i found reflection very consistent.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Apple.Seed:

Crimson Viper need help

i was also struggling, but then remembered that the phantom mechanic was introduced right before the boss. i went back through the level and fought phantoms - they drop gear, so i managed to get 4 pieces of a hunter set, which provides +20 attack and +25% damage againts dragonkin. combined it increased my damage by 40%.

when viper plants his glaive like a flag before doing a 5 hit combo - if you parry the last hit of that combo, viper gets stunned and goes on his knee. alternatively you can charge your potent attack as he twirls his glaive before going into combo - with "manifest power" that increases its range you can be outside of vipers twirl animation but still land the potent attack on him, which in turn interrupts his whole combo. it's free damage.

counterstrike (not counterattack) is very easy to land on all viper's jumps (both high and low). high jumps have a screach that plays right before the attack lands. low jumps have viper slow down in midair right before the strike. those are the timing you want to aim for.
both of these jumps have the same timings in vipers second phase - that why mastering these is usefull.

i'd also suggest learning "furious swipe". it can be used on viper's grab attacks for some damage.
good thing about furious swipe and counterstrike is that they refund energy used if done perfectly. which is actually a unique gs feature and why i say that it's a parry based weapon - you can skill parry foverer.

and that's how the entire fight went for me. 2 reflects into brutal strike were enough to put viper into his 1.5 phase. next is like a dozen counterstrikes for jumps and a couple more reflects for regular attacks, which leads to phase two.
phase 2 you can just block untill he either plants his fist or his sword, which are opening to land potent blows. at phase 2.5 it's back to counterstrikes for jumps while keeping potent blows and big openings.

phantom dies in the first aoe it is such a waste summoning this guy.

[sgrey]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Apple.Seed:

Diposting pertama kali oleh sgrey:

Reflection is absolutely awesome. I've killed many bosses primarily with that skill. If you think it's terrible, you simply do not know how to use it.

Reflection is complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and the timing on it is so slow.

You haven't unlocked the upgrade then. Once you get it, the timing becomes perfect. And if it was a bad skill, I would not be able to use to to kill mane bosses. I am telling you I literally kill a bunch of bosses with it, and you keep saying it's bad.

[MrFrengLitch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptFsmdBDm-w

[Angarvin]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Apple.Seed:

phantom dies in the first aoe it is such a waste summoning this guy.

red phantoms. enemy phantoms of players that are scattered around the level. phantoms of adversity. they drop gear when you kill them.

did you read my post at all?

[Retsubty]

Is "crimson" some endgame variant?

[ZexxCrine]

so I made this because I was tired of the greatsword bad in early game argument and maybe this will help or give you ideas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs8WeyW-whY

level 30
14 mastery points

easily achievable stats based on a casual playthrough because I was given this save from someones casual playthrough to viper

[Apple.Seed]

I just did it ♥♥♥♥♥ christ, I kept getting him half way in second form. I have it where perfect guard does damage and was able to charge with Y here and there with great sword, the perk to decrease dmg is must. I had 5 pieces of the dragonkin dmg armor as well. just updating if people need info on this fight. I probably reflected him once during first form. Also charge attacks stagger him, so if your doing duel wield ther are perks to combo the charge, you can put him in a constant stagger phase in 1st phase, staggers dont work in second phase.

[ZexxCrine]

congrats

[Yuki Terumi]

Fight is kinda rough for greatsword because at that point in the game you cant really trade with him, nor can you have A agility (massive difference in stamina recovery) without wearing lighter armor due to stats. A full spirit meter dump off a stagger would maybe do 8% so the damage wasn't great. Low damage, low defense so you have to pretty much perfect the fight. Not sure how he is post nerf though, id imagine the reduced stamina he has really helps.

[ZexxCrine]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Yuki Terumi:

Fight is kinda rough for greatsword because at that point in the game you cant really trade with him, nor can you have A agility (massive difference in stamina recovery) without wearing lighter armor due to stats. A full spirit meter dump off a stagger would maybe do 8% so the damage wasn't great. Low damage, low defense so you have to pretty much perfect the fight. Not sure how he is post nerf though, id imagine the reduced stamina he has really helps.

please watch the video 3 posts up. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion you did or have the opinions you have.

also its not hard to not wear heavyweight armor because heavyweight armor barely exists at that point. most armor drops are light. especially since the most common armor drop, hunters armor, is lightweight and gives 25% more damage to dragonkin

[D]

I'd change to DW. I did, because I could find windows to hit him more easily. Also, in second phase, be VERY aggressive. Go after him. Don't give him the space to hit you from afar. He takes some time between attacks, and that when you can hit him. Also, since you are close, you can actually see where he is and when he is going to start his attack. The rest is timing and patience. You'll get him.

[avastcosmicarena]

This boss definitely feels poorly balanced to me even after the nerf, at least with the Greatsword, but I'm starting to get the feeling that the Greatsword just sucks in the early game compared to all of the other weapons. You just don't have enough stamina to do anything with it.