Stop expecting the vast majority of the playerbase to do no hit runs.

[Guldo]

its beyond pathetic and unreasobable to expect the vast majority playerbase to meet this standard so stop acting like these videos where people are doing no hits are valid because they are not.

[Guldo]

Publicado originalmente por Blue:

Publicado originalmente por Guldo:

yea on easy. but i felt like i was forced and didnt like that so i deleted it and started over.

Okay, so you beat it on easy. Why not continue on easy if it makes it better for you.

What weapon are you using?

For Viper, I changed from Greatsword to Spear. I also changed my equipment so i had more stamina regen, and less weight to be able to dodge better.

I also went fully into swift attack for moon stance to get phantom attacks or damage or whatever its called. And i got.. .. i dont remember, you spin the spear in front of you and it does bring guards for you, to counter him when he leaps from the shadow tornado at you, as i couldnt dodge it well enough.

I changed how i played, after learning the fight, to better counter what he did. And i beat him.

It took me 40 minutes of getting beat up trying various things but most of all, learning what he does.

Then it took about 5-10 mins of applying what i learned to find a good pace, then i beat him. and it was extremely once sided when i did.

So instead of being, wrong, saying the bosses are overtuned.

Change your self and the way you play and learn how the boss works. The only real obstacle is you. not the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ phantom, that works the way it does, because its not an "I win button" for you to not do anything in the game, okay?

so whats the point again of having the mechinic if its just going to always die against that attack.

isnt the entire point to help you win and defeating the very purpose of its existence if it just runs into the attack instead of from it.

[Guldo]

Publicado originalmente por Blue:

Publicado originalmente por Guldo:

the thing is the tornado only pulls you in from a certain distance and the AI isnt smart enough to start runing away durring the wind up.

Fair enough, that sucks. But again, the phantoms are there to assist you, not beat the boss, most likely the phantom will die in phase two, to the Dark Tornado Jumpy attacks that it does.

Also, the phantoms do work as intended, EVEN IF, that ONE TORNADO makes it not work that well.

But as i said, fair enough. okay.

yea thats the key word assist. is it assisting you if its an idiot and runs and dies as soon as the fight begins.

[Blue]

Publicado originalmente por Guldo:

Publicado originalmente por Blue:

Okay, so you beat it on easy. Why not continue on easy if it makes it better for you.

What weapon are you using?

For Viper, I changed from Greatsword to Spear. I also changed my equipment so i had more stamina regen, and less weight to be able to dodge better.

I also went fully into swift attack for moon stance to get phantom attacks or damage or whatever its called. And i got.. .. i dont remember, you spin the spear in front of you and it does bring guards for you, to counter him when he leaps from the shadow tornado at you, as i couldnt dodge it well enough.

I changed how i played, after learning the fight, to better counter what he did. And i beat him.

It took me 40 minutes of getting beat up trying various things but most of all, learning what he does.

Then it took about 5-10 mins of applying what i learned to find a good pace, then i beat him. and it was extremely once sided when i did.

So instead of being, wrong, saying the bosses are overtuned.

Change your self and the way you play and learn how the boss works. The only real obstacle is you. not the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ phantom, that works the way it does, because its not an "I win button" for you to not do anything in the game, okay?

so whats the point again of having the mechinic if its just going to always die against that attack.

isnt the entire point to help you win and defeating the very purpose of its existence if it just runs into the attack instead of from it.

You dont need the phantom to beat the boss.

You can beat the boss by getting better at the game.

My entire point this entire discussion has been as follows

1. You are not good enough

2. Get better

You however, strawman the Blade phantom as a reason for why you think the bosses are overtuned.

You have been clinging to the Phantoms for the entire discussion when they are entirely irrelevant to your success.

You can, as many before you, beat the boss, without the phantoms. I did it. You can do it to

So to reiterate my point:

1. You are not good enough.
2. You need to get better.
Addendum: The blade phantoms work fine.

Your skill is the issue.

And you really need to learn how to argue your points because if your strawman is the Blade phantoms ruining the game for you, you are saying the same as we have told you in this thread.

We've all said it, some directly.

YOU.

Are not good enough,

It's not the game.. Its you.

But we also say, You can get better. But you need to stop blaming the phantoms lmao.

[Naamtar]

Publicado originalmente por Guldo:

Publicado originalmente por Blue:

Okay, so you beat it on easy. Why not continue on easy if it makes it better for you.

What weapon are you using?

For Viper, I changed from Greatsword to Spear. I also changed my equipment so i had more stamina regen, and less weight to be able to dodge better.

I also went fully into swift attack for moon stance to get phantom attacks or damage or whatever its called. And i got.. .. i dont remember, you spin the spear in front of you and it does bring guards for you, to counter him when he leaps from the shadow tornado at you, as i couldnt dodge it well enough.

I changed how i played, after learning the fight, to better counter what he did. And i beat him.

It took me 40 minutes of getting beat up trying various things but most of all, learning what he does.

Then it took about 5-10 mins of applying what i learned to find a good pace, then i beat him. and it was extremely once sided when i did.

So instead of being, wrong, saying the bosses are overtuned.

Change your self and the way you play and learn how the boss works. The only real obstacle is you. not the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ phantom, that works the way it does, because its not an "I win button" for you to not do anything in the game, okay?

so whats the point again of having the mechinic if its just going to always die against that attack.

isnt the entire point to help you win and defeating the very purpose of its existence if it just runs into the attack instead of from it.

Bro just don't use phantoms, or if it's legitimately that tilting uninstall the game and wait to see if they ever patch it.

It's quite literally an optional part of the game.

Feels like you're clinging to this argument just so you can avoid playing the game at this point. Like you need something to justify a game advertised as a difficult experience being difficult, but can't have it tied back to your own skill.

[s̷h̷a̷d̷o̷w̷]

They are valid, in their own value, at least some of them. Obviously not everyone can no-hit bosses. And obviously people taking such gameplay as standard have some deep issues and project it outside. They like to RP no-hitters by watching them. Kinda scary.
Also, you're be surprised how many of these "no-hit/speedrun/any%%" etc. have been proven faked.
I admire no-hitters like Ongbal. I laugh at clowns that say it's the only way to play games. Does anyone care? Nope. Should you care about clowns? Nope.

[Blue]

Publicado originalmente por s̷h̷a̷d̷o̷w̷:

They are valid, in their own value, at least some of them. Obviously not everyone can no-hit bosses. And obviously people taking such gameplay as standard have some deep issues and project it outside. They like to RP no-hitters by watching them. Kinda scary.
Also, you're be surprised how many of these "no-hit/speedrun/any%%" etc. have been proven faked.
I admire no-hitters like Ongbal. I laugh at clowns that say it's the only way to play games. Does anyone care? Nope. Should you care about clowns? Nope.

II wonder who has said

"You need to be perfect"
or
"You are not allowed to get hit".

In the thread, except for the one guy posting a video showing that he did it, without getting hit?

Who said you had to be a speed runner in order to play these games?

Where does this come from lol

[Guldo]

Publicado originalmente por Blue:

Publicado originalmente por Guldo:

so whats the point again of having the mechinic if its just going to always die against that attack.

isnt the entire point to help you win and defeating the very purpose of its existence if it just runs into the attack instead of from it.

You dont need the phantom to beat the boss.

You can beat the boss by getting better at the game.

My entire point this entire discussion has been as follows

1. You are not good enough

2. Get better

You however, strawman the Blade phantom as a reason for why you think the bosses are overtuned.

You have been clinging to the Phantoms for the entire discussion when they are entirely irrelevant to your success.

You can, as many before you, beat the boss, without the phantoms. I did it. You can do it to

So to reiterate my point:

1. You are not good enough.
2. You need to get better.
Addendum: The blade phantoms work fine.

Your skill is the issue.

And you really need to learn how to argue your points because if your strawman is the Blade phantoms ruining the game for you, you are saying the same as we have told you in this thread.

We've all said it, some directly.

YOU.

Are not good enough,

It's not the game.. Its you.

But we also say, You can get better. But you need to stop blaming the phantoms lmao.

again the phantoms are a core mechanic. again what the point of having them if they dont work.

expecting the player to get better does not address what needs to be fixed. its just a bandaid at that point to deflect from the fact that they did not put any thought into balancing the game and making sure everything worked as intended.

just git gud and leave a core mechanic broken.

[mudcrab]

Publicado originalmente por Guldo:

Publicado originalmente por Blue:

You dont need the phantom to beat the boss.

You can beat the boss by getting better at the game.

My entire point this entire discussion has been as follows

1. You are not good enough

2. Get better

You however, strawman the Blade phantom as a reason for why you think the bosses are overtuned.

You have been clinging to the Phantoms for the entire discussion when they are entirely irrelevant to your success.

You can, as many before you, beat the boss, without the phantoms. I did it. You can do it to

So to reiterate my point:

1. You are not good enough.
2. You need to get better.
Addendum: The blade phantoms work fine.

Your skill is the issue.

And you really need to learn how to argue your points because if your strawman is the Blade phantoms ruining the game for you, you are saying the same as we have told you in this thread.

We've all said it, some directly.

YOU.

Are not good enough,

It's not the game.. Its you.

But we also say, You can get better. But you need to stop blaming the phantoms lmao.

again the phantoms are a core mechanic. again what the point of having them if they dont work.

expecting the player to get better does not address what needs to be fixed. its just a bandaid at that point to deflect from the fact that they did not put any thought into balancing the game and making sure everything worked as intended.

the first phantom: khazan

[Guldo]

Publicado originalmente por Naamtar:

Publicado originalmente por Guldo:

so whats the point again of having the mechinic if its just going to always die against that attack.

isnt the entire point to help you win and defeating the very purpose of its existence if it just runs into the attack instead of from it.

Bro just don't use phantoms, or if it's legitimately that tilting uninstall the game and wait to see if they ever patch it.

It's quite literally an optional part of the game.

Feels like you're clinging to this argument just so you can avoid playing the game at this point. Like you need something to justify a game advertised as a difficult experience being difficult, but can't have it tied back to your own skill.

playing with help of a phantom is a valid choice you know that right. arent my rights taken away when the phantom always gets itself killed in a vacuum attack instead of running away from it.

[Blue]

Publicado originalmente por Guldo:

Publicado originalmente por Naamtar:

Bro just don't use phantoms, or if it's legitimately that tilting uninstall the game and wait to see if they ever patch it.

It's quite literally an optional part of the game.

Feels like you're clinging to this argument just so you can avoid playing the game at this point. Like you need something to justify a game advertised as a difficult experience being difficult, but can't have it tied back to your own skill.

playing with help of a phantom is a valid choice you know that right. arent my rights taken away when the phantom always gets itself killed in a vacuum attack instead of running away from it.

Lmao, "The rights".

Bro you are rage baiting, but you are failing. At this point ive stopped believing anything you say.

good luck. Im out peace.

[Guldo]

Publicado originalmente por Blue:

Publicado originalmente por Guldo:

playing with help of a phantom is a valid choice you know that right. arent my rights taken away when the phantom always gets itself killed in a vacuum attack instead of running away from it.

Lmao, "The rights".

Bro you are rage baiting, but you are failing. At this point ive stopped believing anything you say.

good luck. Im out peace.

no im not rage baiting. is it not a right for it to be working as intended.

so i guess this will be the last time i see you defending this crap. Thats totaly fine with me.

[ChRiS]

theres an easy mode for a reason

[Guldo]

Publicado originalmente por ChRiS:

theres an easy mode for a reason

how does that address phantoms being busted.

[Pharis Gough]

Publicado originalmente por Guldo:

its beyond pathetic and unreasobable to expect the vast majority playerbase to meet this standard so stop acting like these videos where people are doing no hits are valid because they are not.

*throws dog biscuit* No wonder the ginyu force saw you as the joke of the group.

[Tr3m0r]

Publicado originalmente por Guldo:

Publicado originalmente por Blue:

Getting good is an argument.

"You suck at swimming, if you want to win, you should get better" - get good

"Hey, your time on this Lap was 14 seconds longer than your previous attempt, you need to do better" - Get good.


Get good is a short way to say

- Put in effort, to do better, to get the result that you want, in order to complete the task ahead of you.

REFUSAL to do so in order to overcome what lies ahead, is your own fault. HOW much better you need to be in order to overcome your challenge is up to you. Some people overdo it, some people relish in being even better than what is required, and some people dont even bother trying.

your arguments suck. so everyone needs to reach the point where they dont get hit at all. got it.

You haven't even made a coherent argument in the entire post. You are saying "stop expecting players to do no hit runs because it's an impossible standard for the vast majority of players." That is a paraphrased but cleaned up version and it's nonsense.

You tell people their arguments suck but that should be a goal you strive for perhaps? In order to have a bad argument, you have to be able to make one. Keep trying as it's all skill issues currently.