Yo, is Viper like the end game boss or what.

[Deathwing1306]

They really bringing whole 2 HP bar fight with terrible timings this early? I though Blade Phantom was the "welcome to the game" boss, he was great, this one is a bit disappointing lol.

[Norentsu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al_IcKZhf2g

No excuses.

[mudcrab]

viper puts you in a diaper.

[Retsubty]

I don't really like the slow delayed timing of phase 2 and sometimes it's not slow lol. Phase 1 I have down pat.

I'll get it.

I honestly don't think the boss is the issue. It's the fact that we only have 4 incomplete heals for a 2 health bar fight.

Meaning you basically need to perfect guard 90% of the fight. I feel like I'm almost expected to basically perfect run/no hit the boss.

[Goodfella]

Originally posted by Retsubty:

I honestly don't think the boss is the issue. It's the fact that we only have 4 incomplete heals for a 2 health bar fight.

Yeah that really doesn't help, although you can get one extra heal, lol, from equipping certain armour sets.

I am struggling so much on the fight, I wouldn't mind if this was end game so much but this early is crazy.

[Frank White]

Originally posted by Deathwing1306:

They really bringing whole 2 HP bar fight with terrible timings this early? I though Blade Phantom was the "welcome to the game" boss, he was great, this one is a bit disappointing lol.

I don't even have a game and I feel I know 40% of guy moveset just from watched streamers a bit ..If you played ds or elden ring you recognize this moves instantly,like phase transition or whatever he uses same stuff like apostole black flame ash of war tornado ,has literally copy paste weapon like euphoria from dlc elden ring and a lot of other moves are just used from other souls bosses and put together..Also why is freaking Margit in every game now ,lies of p, Khazan, Wukong,overused. Will definitely buy on sale don't think it's worth 70 bucks

[Deathwing1306]

Originally posted by Norentsu:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al_IcKZhf2g

I have a greatsword though... also videos, never help and I am not interesting in watching them, I am just complaining about the boss lol.

[Retsubty]

Originally posted by Frank White:

Originally posted by Deathwing1306:

They really bringing whole 2 HP bar fight with terrible timings this early? I though Blade Phantom was the "welcome to the game" boss, he was great, this one is a bit disappointing lol.

I don't even have a game and I feel I know 40% of guy moveset just from watched streamers a bit ..If you played ds or elden ring you recognize this moves instantly,like phase transition or whatever he uses same stuff like apostole black flame ash of war tornado ,has literally copy paste weapon like euphoria from dlc elden ring and a lot of other moves are just used from other souls bosses and put together..Also why is freaking Margit in every game now ,lies of p, Khazan, Wukong,overused. Will definitely buy on sale don't think it's worth 70 bucks

To be fair there's only so many ways you can swing a weapon lol.

[Jackson]

Originally posted by Deathwing1306:

Originally posted by Norentsu:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al_IcKZhf2g

I have a greatsword though... also videos, never help and I am not interesting in watching them, I am just complaining about the boss lol.

I made a thread that may help you get through with some tips. It's incredibly difficult, and I'm sure it will be "end game" for some, in that many may rage quit lol, but strictly speaking, it's much more difficult than prior bosses and requires memorization and patience.

[Deathwing1306]

Originally posted by Frank White:

Originally posted by Deathwing1306:

They really bringing whole 2 HP bar fight with terrible timings this early? I though Blade Phantom was the "welcome to the game" boss, he was great, this one is a bit disappointing lol.

I don't even have a game and I feel I know 40% of guy moveset just from watched streamers a bit ..If you played ds or elden ring you recognize this moves instantly,like phase transition or whatever he uses same stuff like apostole black flame ash of war tornado ,has literally copy paste weapon like euphoria from dlc elden ring and a lot of other moves are just used from other souls bosses and put together..Also why is freaking Margit in every game now ,lies of p, Khazan, Wukong,overused. Will definitely buy on sale don't think it's worth 70 bucks

I don't even have to read all of it and I already know that your opinion really is not that valuable because you didn't try it.

I have played more than enough Elden Ring, I even beat everything in the DLC within 30 minutes (including Messmer, he actually fell on 2nd try) and you can't really compare those games to this one, in ER your main dodge is to roll, in this game, you pretty much have to deflect everything because I feel like that it helps out more during the fight.

This game is more comparable to Lies of P, rather than FromSoft games imo.

[Deathwing1306]

Originally posted by Jackson:

Originally posted by Deathwing1306:

I have a greatsword though... also videos, never help and I am not interesting in watching them, I am just complaining about the boss lol.

I made a thread that may help you get through with some tips. It's incredibly difficult, and I'm sure it will be "end game" for some, in that many may rage quit lol, but strictly speaking, it's much more difficult than prior bosses and requires memorization and patience.

I don't mind a hard boss, what I really hate about this guy is that he looks totally like a common enemy, just a bit bigger, he doesn't look scary or hard at all. I also don't really like that his 1st phase has quite a lot of HP.

[Frank White]

Originally posted by Retsubty:

Originally posted by Frank White:

I don't even have a game and I feel I know 40% of guy moveset just from watched streamers a bit ..If you played ds or elden ring you recognize this moves instantly,like phase transition or whatever he uses same stuff like apostole black flame ash of war tornado ,has literally copy paste weapon like euphoria from dlc elden ring and a lot of other moves are just used from other souls bosses and put together..Also why is freaking Margit in every game now ,lies of p, Khazan, Wukong,overused. Will definitely buy on sale don't think it's worth 70 bucks

To be fair there's only so many ways you can swing a weapon lol.

I get I just said if you played previous souls games guy won't be a problem.My main disappointment from game it's that bosses are forgettable..Needs better build up for them ,you know when you ask someone about Radahn,Margit,Gael, Abyss watchers people instantly know ,also after I spend 15k hours playing dota2 Viper name is just silly to me hahah

[venx]

Git gud

[Deathwing1306]

Originally posted by Frank White:

Originally posted by Retsubty:

To be fair there's only so many ways you can swing a weapon lol.

I get I just said if you played previous souls games guy won't be a problem.My main disappointment from game it's that bosses are forgettable..Needs better build up for them ,you know when you ask someone about Radahn,Margit,Gael, Abyss watchers people instantly know ,also after I spend 15k hours playing dota2 Viper name is just silly to me hahah

I hate Viper in dota so much, once I have tried quite a cancer combo with my friend, he played Viper and I played Venomancer, we had like 5 kills within 10-15 minutes because of the constant poison on the enemies.

[Frank White]

Originally posted by Deathwing1306:

Originally posted by Frank White:

I don't even have a game and I feel I know 40% of guy moveset just from watched streamers a bit ..If you played ds or elden ring you recognize this moves instantly,like phase transition or whatever he uses same stuff like apostole black flame ash of war tornado ,has literally copy paste weapon like euphoria from dlc elden ring and a lot of other moves are just used from other souls bosses and put together..Also why is freaking Margit in every game now ,lies of p, Khazan, Wukong,overused. Will definitely buy on sale don't think it's worth 70 bucks

I don't even have to read all of it and I already know that your opinion really is not that valuable because you didn't try it.

I have played more than enough Elden Ring, I even beat everything in the DLC within 30 minutes (including Messmer, he actually fell on 2nd try) and you can't really compare those games to this one, in ER your main dodge is to roll, in this game, you pretty much have to deflect everything because I feel like that it helps out more during the fight.

This game is more comparable to Lies of P, rather than FromSoft games imo.

"This game is comparable to lies of p rather than Fromsoftware games" ..From which two games lies of p is created and got ideas then Sekiro and Bloodborne which are fromsoftware games ,lies of p is copy pasted Sekiro .If you can beat Sekiro you can beat viper with eyes closed..

[Jackson]

Originally posted by Deathwing1306:

Originally posted by Jackson:

I made a thread that may help you get through with some tips. It's incredibly difficult, and I'm sure it will be "end game" for some, in that many may rage quit lol, but strictly speaking, it's much more difficult than prior bosses and requires memorization and patience.

I don't mind a hard boss, what I really hate about this guy is that he looks totally like a common enemy, just a bit bigger, he doesn't look scary or hard at all. I also don't really like that his 1st phase has quite a lot of HP.

Viper does look cooler in the second phase if that hypes you up at all. But Viper treated ME, as the player like a common enemy in the first phase, so looks can be deceiving. I do echo your sentiment on how much HP it has, it feels like more than it needs to.