Man i hate the dodge mechanism.

[Louie]

Why can't they just stick to the DS/ER dodge roll. Most of the time you don't move far enough to get out of the way.

[Baneblade]

I think the dodge mechanism is fantastic (similar to Nioh). You should dodge forward, not behind/to the side

[Giganx]

Oh god no, PLEASE no more tuck and rolling like you just jumped off a building just to dodge a punch. It looks stupid. It should ALWAYS be quickstepping in games like this.

As for the distance, you're supposed to time dodges and use the iframes to avoid damage. You don't have to "get out of the way." More distance just makes it harder to follow up with an attack after you dodge.

[Tenshu]

Originally posted by Giganx:

Oh god no, PLEASE no more tuck and rolling like you just jumped off a building just to dodge a punch. It looks stupid. It should ALWAYS be quickstepping in games like this.

As for the distance, you're supposed to time dodges and use the iframes to avoid damage. You don't have to "get out of the way." More distance just makes it harder to follow up with an attack after you dodge.

Tbf it works in Souls because your character isn't very proficient at anything and swings for the fences unless it's a Weapon Art/Ash of War for some reason, so stage diving makes sense. Bloodborne on the other hand, you are part of an organization that knows what they're doing, so the dash evade makes sense.

[darkdrow12]

Originally posted by Tenshu:

Originally posted by Giganx:

Oh god no, PLEASE no more tuck and rolling like you just jumped off a building just to dodge a punch. It looks stupid. It should ALWAYS be quickstepping in games like this.

As for the distance, you're supposed to time dodges and use the iframes to avoid damage. You don't have to "get out of the way." More distance just makes it harder to follow up with an attack after you dodge.

Tbf it works in Souls because your character isn't very proficient at anything and swings for the fences unless it's a Weapon Art/Ash of War for some reason, so stage diving makes sense. Bloodborne on the other hand, you are part of an organization that knows what they're doing, so the dash evade makes sense.

good evening,

....what? no you are not if any thing its backwards.

in bloodborne you are just some unlucky smuck off the road caught in the hunt so you should be fumbling like a goon before you are swaying with the best of them.

and every new iteration of a souls game you are a stronger variation of warrior where YOU SHOULD be dodging with the best of them. especially as a tarnished, where you are a demi-god slayer coming out of a long nap.

the only time it is truly appropriate to stage roll is in dark souls 1 where you are the biggest loser, with the biggest will mind you, treating all manner of swords and weaponry like bludgeons. a goober miscreant really.

so no i call hooplah on that. its just an asset carried feature and less a story telling aspect of your character.

don't get me wrong i jive with both movement systems but the souls have always been bollucks post DS1.

a shout out to a good roll mechanic that weaves story telling is the MC of Code Vein: you fat roll with encumbered, normal roll with average weight, and, heres the special bit, you mist step dodge showing your character tapping into their power to fight in battle. but no one comments it because it is Code Vein.

apologies for the rant, but souls games are not the end all be all when it comes to character actions promoting narrative aspects of the story.

...it does look purdy doe.

[Tenshu]

Originally posted by darkdrow12:

Originally posted by Tenshu:

Tbf it works in Souls because your character isn't very proficient at anything and swings for the fences unless it's a Weapon Art/Ash of War for some reason, so stage diving makes sense. Bloodborne on the other hand, you are part of an organization that knows what they're doing, so the dash evade makes sense.

good evening,

....what? no you are not if any thing its backwards.

in bloodborne you are just some unlucky smuck off the road caught in the hunt so you should be fumbling like a goon before you are swaying with the best of them.

and every new iteration of a souls game you are a stronger variation of warrior where YOU SHOULD be dodging with the best of them. especially as a tarnished, where you are a demi-god slayer coming out of a long nap.

the only time it is truly appropriate to stage roll is in dark souls 1 where you are the biggest loser, with the biggest will mind you, treating all manner of swords and weaponry like bludgeons. a goober miscreant really.:Myo:

so no i call hooplah on that. its just an asset carried feature and less a story telling aspect of your character.

don't get me wrong i jive with both movement systems but the souls have always been bollucks post DS1.

a shout out to a good roll mechanic that weaves story telling is the MC of Code Vein: you fat roll with encumbered, normal roll with average weight, and, heres the special bit, you mist step dodge showing your character tapping into their power to fight in battle. but no one comments it because it is Code Vein.

apologies for the rant, but souls games are not the end all be all when it comes to character actions promoting narrative aspects of the story.

...it does look purdy doe.:elexniceguy:

The Ashen One was also a loser though, it's why they're called that. The Tarnished as well until they get great runes.
Code Vein is just DS1 with the backflip ring lol. Also no, tapping into their power would be the Ichor based dodge that overrides even fatrolls, so they're not weighed down by Zweihander's braindead balancing lol.

Also never said they were end all be all, nooo idea where you got that. Just saying the difference between rolling and dashing animation-wise made sense with character premise. Same thing here, Khazan knows what he's doing, so he'd animate more nimbly when dodging, same with the Revenants in Code Vein. But if you want to get technical, no the Hoonta isn't some schmuck if you paid attention. You actually wrote a note to yourself wanting Paleblood and implies you have knowledge of the Great Ones, so your prowess with the weapons and dodging isn't random in that sense.

Edit: Best dodge mechanic? Remnant 2 during the bellyflop build hilarity LOL

[khamthien251]

As the dev said, Khazan is a general and he is very familiar with combat so he won't roll and eat the dirt just to avoid attacks. He has perfect dodge and instant attacks follow but block and deflect are his best defense mechanics.

[PKblaze]

Perfect dodges are really fun imo

[Iorveth]

Originally posted by Louie:

Why can't they just stick to the DS/ER dodge roll. Most of the time you don't move far enough to get out of the way.

Because the game is called The First Berserker: Khazan, not Elden Ring. If you don't like this mechanic, stop complaining like a toddler. Don't buy this game; there are plenty of other ones to spend your time on.

[Tenshu]

Originally posted by Iorveth:

Originally posted by Louie:

Why can't they just stick to the DS/ER dodge roll. Most of the time you don't move far enough to get out of the way.

Because the game is called The First Berserker: Khazan, not Elden Ring. If you don't like this mechanic, stop complaining like a toddler. Don't buy this game; there are plenty of other ones to spend your time on.

Would be funny if someone looked at the hurtboxes and saw Khazan's dash and Elden Ring roll have the same exact frame data for each tier of mobility lmao.

[﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽]

Originally posted by Louie:

Why can't they just stick to the DS/ER dodge roll. Most of the time you don't move far enough to get out of the way.

The devs don't want to dodge roll like in DS/ER instead devs wants you to parry and guard the boss attack the sekiro way its way more fun that way as well

Originally posted by khamthien251:

As the dev said, Khazan is a general and he is very familiar with combat so he won't roll and eat the dirt just to avoid attacks. He has perfect dodge and instant attacks follow but block and deflect are his best defense mechanics.

pretty much
first game in recent years that balances guard and parry properly

[PKblaze]

Originally posted by ﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽﷽:

Originally posted by Louie:

Why can't they just stick to the DS/ER dodge roll. Most of the time you don't move far enough to get out of the way.

The devs don't want to dodge roll like in DS/ER instead devs wants you to parry and guard the boss attack the sekiro way its way more fun that way as well

Not disagreeing but it feels like the devs want players to have the option of dodges and blocks given the timed doge mechanic and iframes it gives. IMO I mixed both in when playing and it worked well.