Even Kena: Bridge of Spirits is faster paced

[D. Flame]

At least increase the base stamina regen speed, and/or make skills not use stamina (also let stamina be regenning while skills are being used).

[SniggyDiggy]

Aikiu の投稿を引用：

I might actually try Kena after this post lol, but I'll still wait for the full game though. But we have just finished the tutorial by beating the phantom blade right, I think the pace of the game will be much faster after when Khazan unlocked more skills. This is my first interaction with a soulslike though (Im still trying to learn them) so If Im wrong please don't be too harsh.

I can't remember where it was stated, could have been a reddit Q&A, but i remember hearing the devs saying that it will get much faster as you progress, and that the demo represents only 5% of the whole game

[Giganx]

D. Flame の投稿を引用：

Giganx の投稿を引用：

This game is fast paced if you're good at it, and slow paced if you're bad at it.

I kind of like that the demo has these mechanics that reward skill and punish mindless play. I'm sure in the actual release you'll be able to grind gear and invalidate the skill checks, though.

I beat the final boss of the demo in like 2 minutes without even needing to heal. If you think that is "punishing mindless play," then I don't know what to tell you.

If you were standing around with no stamina a lot then yea, that's being punished.

It's the tutorial bosses on easy mode, so even if you play like crap it's still going to be easy; it just won't feel very good.

[D. Flame]

Giganx の投稿を引用：

D. Flame の投稿を引用：

I beat the final boss of the demo in like 2 minutes without even needing to heal. If you think that is "punishing mindless play," then I don't know what to tell you.

If you were standing around with no stamina a lot then yea, that's being punished.

It's the tutorial bosses on easy mode, so even if you play like crap it's still going to be easy; it just won't feel very good.

Spending all your stamina for max damage without taking any risk, is not getting punished. You need to play more fighting games before trying to use their terminology.

[Giganx]

D. Flame の投稿を引用：

Giganx の投稿を引用：

If you were standing around with no stamina a lot then yea, that's being punished.

It's the tutorial bosses on easy mode, so even if you play like crap it's still going to be easy; it just won't feel very good.

Spending all your stamina for max damage without taking any risk, is not getting punished. You need to play more fighting games before trying to use their terminology.

Spending all of your stamina leaves you open to take damage. Again, it's the tutorial boss on easy mode, so you can make mistakes and do dumb things and still be fine.

Moving between perfect parries/counters and perfect dodges/finishers to refund stamina you can attack for the duration of windows without any downtime. If you find yourself standing around like a lump with no stamina frequently then you're playing poorly; which is fine since the demo is easy.

[D. Flame]

Giganx の投稿を引用：

D. Flame の投稿を引用：

Spending all your stamina for max damage without taking any risk, is not getting punished. You need to play more fighting games before trying to use their terminology.

Spending all of your stamina leaves you open to take damage. Again, it's the tutorial boss on easy mode, so you can make mistakes and do dumb things and still be fine.

Moving between perfect parries/counters and perfect dodges/finishers to refund stamina you can attack for the duration of windows without any downtime. If you find yourself standing around like a lump with no stamina frequently then you're playing poorly; which is fine since the demo is easy.

No it doesn't. As you saw in the video. I still had access to parries.

Aikiu の投稿を引用：

I might actually try Kena after this post lol, but I'll still wait for the full game though. But we have just finished the tutorial by beating the phantom blade right, I think the pace of the game will be much faster after when Khazan unlocked more skills. This is my first interaction with a soulslike though (Im still trying to learn them) so If Im wrong please don't be too harsh.

Kena is a good game, even if some of the optional challenges drive me nuts.

[Giganx]

Since you're just arguing semantics now, you can't parry grabs and you can't dodge without stamina.

Point is that stamina management is part of being good at this game. If you're not defending perfectly you won't have the stamina to attack perfectly. Didn't matter much in the demo but it'll probably matter in harder difficulties against tougher bosses in the release game.

[D. Flame]

Giganx の投稿を引用：

Since you're just arguing semantics now, you can't parry grabs and you can't dodge without stamina.

Point is that stamina management is part of being good at this game. If you're not defending perfectly you won't have the stamina to attack perfectly. Didn't matter much in the demo but it'll probably matter in harder difficulties against tougher bosses in the release game.

All grabs have an obvious tell and a long start up animation, so even at zero stamina, you have enough time to recharge enough stamina to dodge the grabs.

So just like in fighting games, you should spend your resources to do optimal damage.

[Giganx]

D. Flame の投稿を引用：

Giganx の投稿を引用：

Since you're just arguing semantics now, you can't parry grabs and you can't dodge without stamina.

Point is that stamina management is part of being good at this game. If you're not defending perfectly you won't have the stamina to attack perfectly. Didn't matter much in the demo but it'll probably matter in harder difficulties against tougher bosses in the release game.

All grabs have an obvious tell and a long start up animation, so even at zero stamina, you have enough time to recharge enough stamina to dodge the grabs.

So just like in fighting games, you should spend your resources to do optimal damage.

Sure, if you stop attacking during the grabs startup animation then you'll have stamina and won't get punished. No stamina still means you get punished.

In this game you'll have a lot more resources for optimal damage if you defend perfectly. So, if you feel like you don't have enough stamina then get better at the game.

[D. Flame]

Giganx の投稿を引用：

D. Flame の投稿を引用：

All grabs have an obvious tell and a long start up animation, so even at zero stamina, you have enough time to recharge enough stamina to dodge the grabs.

So just like in fighting games, you should spend your resources to do optimal damage.

Sure, if you stop attacking during the grabs startup animation then you'll have stamina and won't get punished. No stamina still means you get punished.

In this game you'll have a lot more resources for optimal damage if you defend perfectly. So, if you feel like you don't have enough stamina then get better at the game.

I am never attack during the tell of the grabs. You have to stop living in your fan fiction and face reality.

[Giganx]

D. Flame の投稿を引用：

Giganx の投稿を引用：

Sure, if you stop attacking during the grabs startup animation then you'll have stamina and won't get punished. No stamina still means you get punished.

In this game you'll have a lot more resources for optimal damage if you defend perfectly. So, if you feel like you don't have enough stamina then get better at the game.

I am never attack during the tell of the grabs. You have to stop living in your fan fiction and face reality.

If you had enough stamina you could attack during the startup animation, but you didn't because you misstimed a bunch of perfect parrys/dodges. Git gud. ;)

[Chacheya1G]

D. Flame の投稿を引用：

Giganx の投稿を引用：

Sure, if you stop attacking during the grabs startup animation then you'll have stamina and won't get punished. No stamina still means you get punished.

In this game you'll have a lot more resources for optimal damage if you defend perfectly. So, if you feel like you don't have enough stamina then get better at the game.

I am never attack during the tell of the grabs. You have to stop living in your fan fiction and face reality.

you are incredibly bad at the game, but worse, you are also delusional about it.

[D. Flame]

"You beat the boss in like 2 minutes without healing. So bad."

ROFLMAO.

The COPE is real.

[Tenshu]

D. Flame の投稿を引用：

"You beat the boss in like 2 minutes without healing. So bad."

ROFLMAO.

The COPE is real.

You can come off as very opinionated and have some ♥♥♥♥ takes...

But I'm with you on this one, wtf? Multiple people didn't read what you said...

[Giganx]

D. Flame の投稿を引用：

"You beat the boss in like 2 minutes without healing. So bad."

ROFLMAO.

The COPE is real.

You're running out of stamina because you play poorly. You beat the boss anyways because it was a tutorial boss on baby difficulty.

No one is saying you're struggling to beat the boss. What we're saying is that if you're having stamina issues it means you're bad at perfect dodging/parrying. Practice and get better.

[Tenshu]

Giganx の投稿を引用：

D. Flame の投稿を引用：

"You beat the boss in like 2 minutes without healing. So bad."

ROFLMAO.

The COPE is real.

You're running out of stamina because you play poorly. You beat the boss anyways because it was a tutorial boss on baby difficulty.

No one is saying you're struggling to beat the boss. What we're saying is that if you're having stamina issues it means you're bad at perfect dodging/parrying. Practice and get better.

Bro...

"All grabs have an obvious tell and a long start up animation, so even at zero stamina, you have enough time to recharge enough stamina to dodge the grabs."
.... what are you doing? What is your argument? You're bringing a critique that doesn't apply, they even confirmed it here.