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But we can ignore all that and it's still malware. It's a piece of software that impedes the use of the application for the purchaser, puts a strain on performance and fundamentally doesn't even do what it's designed to do. It's a cancer to gaming.
I'm also not really looking that much for a discussion on what you believe to be true, I'm stating my conditions for purchase. DENUVO out I buy, DENUVO in I pass.
Where did I say anything like that? You run a very bad logical process where you somehow managed to reach to conclusion that denuvo = giving away money for nothing in return, which is incorrect as heck and blamed me for your illogical reasoning.
Last I checked, I can perfectly access all my games that I have purchased regardless of whether they have Denuvo or not. Now if you are worried over some hypothetical state where Denuvo somehow makes all games stop working forever, you may just as well be afraid of a giant meteor hitting earth and obliterating all life. Your entire counter argument revolves around an impossibly low possibility in exchange for more people pirating (less profit for devs). I'd rather devs earn more money and therefore be able to allocate more funds to develop their future games. You should not badmouth or look down upon people that don't agree with your conspiracy theories that are realistically impossible. While your entire argument only becomes valid if stars align, my argument directly effects profits of devs who spent their lifes to make these games.
Now you are suffering from psychological condition where you have attaching more values then you should to Denuvo. Denuvo does not stop you from owning games, Denuvo does not prevent you from playing games. Performance impact of Denuvo is irrelevant on modern versions. And Denuvo makes games better because devs earn more to justify spending more on development. This ofc is not a realistic way of looking at things, if you don't own CD player your CD's are useless, if you don't have computer and all computer stores close your keyboard is useless. Reality is that these things are simply too unrealistic and we will have much bigger problems to worry about if they ever happen.
Do you have actual numbers that show games with DRM make more money than games without DRM, specifically because of piracy? Because this false. There are plenty of games that do not have any DRM and they are doing very well. Like Witcher 3, for example. Or BG3. Are you gonna say with a straight face that BG3 was pirated by everyone and failed? Elden Ring also doesn't have DRM, other than just Steam. Also a failed game in your eyes, I guess?
And Denuvo doesn't stop piracy. The games "protected" by it go up on pirated sites almost as soon as they are released. Maybe before you speak, you should at the very least google something for 5 minutes? Because not a single thing you say is actually true in reality, it's all just things you made up in your mind.
You are aware that GOG exists, right? You know it's an actual store run by CDPR, right? They are making a big point that they sell DRM free games. And guess what? They have quite a few customers. They might not be as large as Steam, but still quite large.
I'm not the one sprewing strawman fallacy around. This whole "no u" argument works little when your arguments are literally classified as fallacies and thought in schools why they are invalid.
This is same as asking whether I have proof that 2+2=4. It is called logic. If you reduce ability to pirate games, you as a result increase profits. Do you think developers would pay for Denuvo if they did not have strong proof that it is a benefit to them?
Again another example of terrible reasoning. I did not state that you can't be successful without Denuvo, I stated that without Denuvo, your profits are reduced. I suggest spending some time to improve your reading comprehension and reasoning capabilities so you don't misinterpret what people write, which you have been doing for a while now, and try to counter argue things they never stated.
Furthermore, you are giving examples of games like BG3, W3, ER, some of the biggest games ever made with over 100m$ budget. Khazan does not exist on same spectrum as those games.
Denuvo certainly stops piracy, for a set amount of time where hype around game is biggest. I don't mind if they remove Denuvo after it gets cracked, which is what some studios do.
You want logic? You ignore every single piece of actual evidence and statistics just so that you can confirm your own bias that you created in your mind using your false logic. Why don't you answer about existence of GOG as a store that is plenty successful. I ask you for evidence, and you refer to your opinion as evidence enough in itself. Do you seriously believe your reasoning to be infallible? For someone with supposedly good logic you keep deflecting actual arguments too much and go for the classic "attack the speaker" fallacy instead of the argument, which you've been doing non-stop.
You even ignore publicly acknowledged facts and even things that Denuvo itself have acknowledged as true, yet you sit here and speak to me about logic.
"Facts" lmao, literally under title of the link you posted;
| Results suggest a positive effect, but there's a huge margin of error.
But sure, these are "facts" when even the author simply notes them as a suggestion.
Another case of strawman fallacy. Man you really love that fallacy don't you? There are more evidence that suppots Denuvo than whatever inconclusive "suggestion" you may find to contrary. Here are some actual published, peer reviewed science for you;
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1875952124002532
Where they factually conclude that Denuvo boosts revenue by 15-20% as long as it can last more than 12 weeks.
Understanding science is a process that requires deep logical process. If you were truly capable of it, you would have easily googled and found the evidence supporting Denuvo yourself instead of begging me for it. Which is why I waited for you to try to give me some bad "fact" attempt before shutting down your play with real science.
I already have
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I did not state that you can't be successful without Denuvo, I stated that without Denuvo, your profits are reduced.
Besides, Gog is not at all "plenty" successful. It is on a pretty bad state with only 1.2m$ net profits reported
https://www.gog.com/en/news/gog_2023_update_2_facts_and_numbers_of_2022_copy3
You really need to read the actual study and not the sensasionalist title. The study has been largely debunked, including the fact that their sample only includes 93 games with Denuvo when there are currently 253. The study only shows, haphazardly, that games with Denuvo which has it removed in the first two weeks see a diminution of 20% of their sales, not that games not using Denuvo altogether lose 20% of their sales. You also conveniently ommitted that the study claims that after two weeks, the loss of sales due to piracy when removing Denuvo is negligible.
They just assume that this has to apply to all of the 90k games on Steam which never used Denuvo as well, for... reasons I guess? You can read more about it here: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Slistingservice/announcements/detail/4469353433704431626
Did I mention that 7 out of 10 games in Steam's new best sellers for the year 2024 were indie games and mostly DRM-free - throwing quite the wrench in the notion that games with Denuvo sell any better or worse than games without it.
https://gameworldobserver.com/2024/12/19/top-steam-and-console-games-2024-copies-sold-revenue
If I may give you another perspective, consider Steam’s annual bestsellers: 2023 had Baldur's Gate 3, 2022’s top title was Elden Ring, 2021 was Valheim, and going back further we have Hades, Slay the Spire, Rimworld, Hollow Knight, Stardew Valley, and The Witcher 3 in the years prior. No game with Denuvo has been Steam’s top-selling title in the past decade. It’s almost always DRM-free games leading the charge - with the exception of Elden Ring which only used Steam's DRM-, suggesting that consumer choice may lean towards DRM-free titles when other factors are comparable.
So... a decade worth of examples showing that DRM-free sell just as well if not more than games with Denuvo? If you're attached to a constructive discussion, which will you consider now?