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You mean like Baldur's Gate 3, Dragon Age franchize, Apex Legends...
"But Concord!" wept the man.
...Silent Hill 2 remake, Disco Elysium, Hades, Celeste, Horizon franchise...
"Begone!"
...Night in the Woods, Untertale, Cyberpunk, Stardew Valley...
You know the MC is 17/18, right? They look like a little boy because they literally are a little boy. Also, their features are purposefully androgynous so that it's not overtly geared towards a specific player-base.
Tell me you haven't played the game without telling me you haven't played the game.
While OP is a clownfarmer, because he knows he'll get so many accolades for his post, yeah. These are all great games.
Concord was a flop because it was a trash game, with trash character design. It had nothing to do with LGBT. Stardew Valley is my cozy game to be and I always play a female character in the game, in all my 10+ playthroughs. What's great about the game is it doesn't lock you out of content because you play a specific gender. Leah is THE ONLY character that has a replacement man/woman (her ex in heart events) based on what gender your character is. Otherwise it's all dating galore, man or woman.
Hilariously out of touch list, considering the Dragon Age game about to drop that's definitely going to bomb. I'd love for you to explain specifically what's woke about Undertale, but why dwell on your paulty, pitiful little list of supposed successes when I can just bury you in the failures and destroy your entire argument? How come my list's so much longer than yours? Lol.
Dustborn, Concord, Hyenas, Sunset, Forspoken, Unknown 9, Shadow Gambit, Lost Records, Redfall, Validate, DmC reboot, Saints Row reboot, Square Avengers starring Kamala Khan, Mighty No. 9, Flintlock, Suicide Squad, Zau, Immortals, even when you use an established property like Spider-Man you lose a ton of sales. Directly compare the sales of Spider-Man to Spider-Man Miles Morales, it sold 1/3rd as many copies. With movies, compare the Spider-Verse movies to No Way Home, again only 1/3rd the tickets sold. And the reality is any time one of these games does succeed it's only because it's an existing property that would have made money on name recognition alone and it makes less than it would have without the woke ♥♥♥♥.
As far as movies, the list gets much, much longer. Basically everything Disney has put out particularly among their animation department has bombed spectacularly for the last several years, and typically the culprit is sneaking in lgbt themes or oversexualizing themes directed at children. Turning Red for example, a Disney animation meant to represent girls getting their period and then selling their bodies for money tested so poorly they removed it from the theater release schedule and instead dumped the trash straight onto streaming. Buzz Lightyear, Soul, Wish, Strange World, Mulan, Raya, Peter Pan & Wendy, The Little Mermaid, Disney's hilariously out of touch progressives over the last decade have taken the most valuable brands on Earth and made them all worthless. Star Wars, Marvel, Disney itself all used to be the biggest brands and are all now worthless. The last several years of Marvel shows and movies have all bombed. The Eternals, Inhumans, Agatha All Along, Ms. Marvel, The Marvels, Shang Chi, Echo, She-Hulk. Black Widow, the list is endless. Meanwhile for Star Wars everything since Rise of the Skywalker has been a colossal failure most recently with Acolyte, and even Rise of the Skywalker made a third as much as Force Awakens, that was the biggest example of something selling on brand but people checking out because of the garbage woke themes.
Meanwhile at Paramount, they've made the Star Trek franchise completely worthless with travesties like Discovery and Lower Decks, the D&D brand is virtually worthless now and Paramount, Wizards of the Coast and Hasbro have all undergone massive layoffs since the Honor Among Thieves movie with it's incredibly cringe woke writing bombed spectacularly. It never sells. Batwoman was made basically for a female woke audience, yet when they swapped the lead with a black woman ratings evaporated and they had to cancel it. Raised Among Wolves, the Watchmen tv series, Lovecraft Country, Dear White People, The Blackening, The Society for Magical Negroes, the black Annie reboot, A Wrinkle in Time, the Idris Elba raceswapped Dark Tower, Black Adam, Devotion, Santa Inc, the Borderlands movie, both Rebel Moon movies, Love Lies Bleeding, Book of Clarence, Bros., the Cleopatra "documentary" Jada Pinkett put out where she asserted Cleopatra was black that did so poorly Netflix was actually sued by Egypt for misrepresenting history, the continual humiliation of the Doctor Who franchise and it's ever shrinking ratings as they change him from british man to gay, to woman, to a gay black man with trans sidekicks. No one's watching lol. The Willow reboot where the focus instead of being on a little person wizard was about a teen lesbian romance between ugly people, The Witcher Blood Origins, Velma, Devotion, Amsterdam, Babylon, Girlboss, The Get Down, AJ and the Queen, Q Force, Birdgirl, The Resident Evil tv series, Cats, Jungle Cruise, Madame Web, Civil War, from the creator of Men and Annihilation which also bombed, Wonder Woman 2, Thunder Force, Last Voyage of the Demeter, Joy Ride, both Mad Max Fury Road and Furiosa bombed, They/Them, Terminator Salvation, the feminist Charlie's Angel reboot, 355, the all female Ghostbusters reboot, the live action Cowboy Bebop, She Said, Women Talking, Birds of Prey, Joker 2, The Green Knight, Chi-Raq, the TMNT movie made by Seth Rogan, the Space Jam sequel, Tomb Raider with a flat chested Lara, The Flash, Like a Boss, Rings of Power, Motherland, Robyn Hood, the He-Man reboot, New Mutants, the Blade remake, the last Indiana Jones.
All of these woke projects failed. Now before you ask "How was that woke?" Did it desexualize the female characters by making them masculine or flat chested? Did it raceswap the lead or races of the setting in the case of a fantasy setting such as making Elves or Hobbits black? Did it contain overt anti-white themes? Did it portray lgbt elements to children or as anything other than a tiny fringe group? Did it invert gender roles? Did it sideline the male lead to nothing but a sidekick to a new female character? Did it push a heavily "diverse" case in direct contradiction to reality such as an all black cast despite it being sold to audience in the US and Europe despite their population in the US being 12% and roughly 2% in Europe?
People like you aren't going to get to bury your head in the sand anymore and pretend you don't know how this slop has bombed over and over or pretend you don't know the exact qualities that turn people off. And what's more, it's intentional. China gives money to Blackrock, Blackrock pays production companies to insert these DEI/ESG themes into their products, and it isn't genuinely for any lofty political ideal, China has Blackrock do this specifically because these things don't sell. Specifically because it makes audiences not buy the products. Meanwhile China is putting out products devoid of DEI/ESG themes. Don't believe me? Ubisoft has been pushing DEI/ESG wokeslop for years and is on the verge of bankruptcy as a result. Who has swooped in to buy the company at pennies on the dollar? Tencent, a Chinese company. Every dope pushing woke has been swindled into making it easy for China to buy everything. And then once China controls the company, what are their mandates? "Large breasts and no blacks" because that's what actually sells lol.
Oh, and if you concede complete and total defeat, cry "I'm not reading that" because you have no response to it. It's not going away wokies, you're gonna have to chow down on it.
I think you are severely attributing the failures of certain media to LGBT characters being present. She-Hulk sucked because it was poor writing in the first place. I watched it up until the "want-to-be-taken-serious" lawyer dropped her dumpy in a twerk with a client.
The Ghostbusters remake suffers from the same as Oceans 8. No one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ asked for an all womens reboot. Thus it was poorly received. Oceans 11, 12 and 13 followed very much the same characters, introducing a few new ones each film. Ocean's 8 did nothing of the sort. Just slam 6 popular women actors in this movie and some up-and-coming.
It isn't that people HATE women or LGBT representation, it is that those types of remakes are poorly shoved in for no reason, no one asked for either Ghostbusters or Ocean's 8, but if you hate them, you hate women. Hollywood wanted to ride the inclusive ♥♥♥♥ and re-release a popular franchise, and guess what, it bombed. Ocean's 13 would suck ass without Ocean's 11. Hell, they could have started a new heist franchise instead of calling it Ocean's 8 and people would be more invested.
Joker 2 bombed because Joker didn't need a sequel. It was a done deal, there is no extended universe to be had either, that's what DC already said at the release of the first film. It is a Joker story, how >THIS< joker came to be. It isn't in our extended universe. And there was absolutely NO reason to make the sequel a musical.
Sweeney Todd made worse numbers at the cinema than expected with the actors they had. They tried to capitalise on High School Musical being popular, catering to a COMPLETELY different audience.
Sweeney Todd is the only musical movie I've ever watched (bar some Disney ones), and it wasnt that bad of a film, but I can see how people would absolutely hate how it was a musical.
EDIT: I don't even have time to write a rebutal to every single movie you've written out. You are right on some points and completely miss the mark on several.
It's a long list of failures though, and the important takeaway is that the DEI/ESG guidelines are specifically intended to make products unprofitable. The inverted gender roles, masculine female characters, flat chests, sideshave haircuts, those things have no audience and it's a strategy. They get funding from companies like Blackrock, who get the money they use to fund it from China, who tells them to push ESG/DEI so that when they eventually go bankrupt China can buy the company and it's intellectual property dirt cheap. Tencent put out a notice some time back, "large breasts and no blacks" was their mandates, simultaneously they're funding dei/esg stuff that pushes the exact opposite. Strong, independent, flat-chested black girlbosses. Ubisoft has been following these guidelines for years and they're on the verge of bankruptcy, now who's announced they intend to buy Ubisoft? Tencent.
I don't think it failed due to the lesbian kiss. And I honestly can't remember the plot focusing around those two women having a child together.
The fact that it was banned in Middle East though just shows to never cater to those countries in the first place. Just either make sure your movie is definitely banned there, and budget accordingly (not very hard to get banned in the middle east, several marvel movies had to adhere to cuts in their scenes even).
I am not sure what DEI/ESG (or is it ESG/DEI?) means, sorry, a term that people spout for no reason whenever something releases they don't like.
And I don't think Ubisoft is failing because "strong independent black girl bosses". They are failing because they can't provide a decent product. They've been criticised for at least 15 years for the sheer quality of their games, it's not even due to inclusivity. Look at how they handled overtaking for example Heroes of Might and Magic series.
Yeah. That ♥♥♥♥ ain't getting a new game until Ubisoft goes bankrupt. I even have the collector's edition of HoMM7 (Heroes of Might and Magic 7). Never bothered to play the game because I read online before receiving it that it sucks balls for all the reasons I regretted my pre-order of the collector's edition. They botched HoMM6, and promised to make better for HoMM7, turns out, they botched it more, and again blamed "gamers".
This- however isn't a forum for game developers faults. However - a game doesn't become trash because it has queer representation. It's just that many developers think they can release what was promised otherwise, but make main character gay. Then we get the LGBT on our side. No, that's forced, and to my experience, not even my LGBT friends want that, because it is misrepresentation. They're not as vocal about it as the anti-LGBT is though, they'd still play the game if it was a good game.
No, I can tell you that most people don't have to have Gay Game v2.0 or v3.0 shoved in their face either. An LGBT story was made well in Cyberpunk 2077 for example (Judy Alvarez), people were outraged because they couldn't have sex with the clearly lesbian character. Well ♥♥♥♥, sucks to suck I guess? People like that exist in real life too, you don't have to want to bang every single woman in real life.
As to why straight stuff is shown I mean, being straight is considered by society to be normal and proper in the entire world pretty much. 99.9998% of people would look at someone stranglely if they say they are offended by a straight relationship in media. NOT saying any other pairings are strange or anything personally as I believe people can live how they want to as long as they don't try to force it on me or preach about it to me.
When you try to force it on me like Dragon Age: Veilguard does, thats when I start to have a problem with it, as I would with any topic someone tries to force on me.
Inclusion is fine when it is done properly, the problem is most modern games do not do it properly and it feels more forced/preachy with how much they shove it in the players face, or how out of place it looks. A good example is assassin creed shadows, being set in japan with everyone else being japanese but they make a black guy the main char? That makes no sense, its not about race here exactly, its just you'd expect the main char to be japanese for the time period the game takes place in and where it is, and every other assassins creed game had a culturally approiate main character for the region the game took place in, Shadows is the only one that deviates from this and it sticks out like a sore thumb, so it just looks like a virtue signal. In fact orignally the main char in this game WAS rumored to be a japanese guy supposedly, But Ubisoft changed it midway thru dev to virtue signal due to what was going on in the real world at the time. Its a rumor I heard.
Examples of inclusion done right: Baldurs Gate 3, it has some "woke" elements but they are mostly hidden and you have to go looking for it to find it, the average player is not going to find it, and if they do, the game is so overwhelmingly good otherwise that they allow it to slide.
Cyberpunk 2077 is another example of it done right, one of the chars is transsexual, but you do not find this out till you go down her personal quest line and even then its really not mentioned again and it felt natural and not forced. The char mentions it in passing and doesn't make it her entire identiy or screams about it constantly.
Most people are fine with inclusion when it is done properly and fits in the game, including myself, the problem is that it often does not fit in properly or feels like its not a natural part of the world.
Dragon Age Veilguard again is a prime example, according to a rumor one char introduces itself to you as non-binary, and in dragon age's world NO ONE talks like that EVER, its a complete lore/immersion break that was forced in for virtue signal reasons, thats an example of it done poorly. This supposedly is said soon after you meet them the first time, can't confirm as the game is not out, nor do I plan to play it. But seeing other news about the game it seems like it would be a legit thing.
Those games are made for modern audiences. Why didn't you support them, and let them fail, when they give you representation that you want?
They're terms given as guidelines to companies that make "woke" games. When a game removes gender and switches it to "type a type b" flattens the female characters, adds pronouns, makes the characters ugly and adds vitiligo, wheelchairs and obesity it's because some advisor company -most notable recently Sweet Baby Inc.- has given them DEI/ESG guidelines, investment company Blackrock created one of the terms. They offer companies money if they insert these themes into their games, there's a video with the ceo of Blackrock Larry Fink specifically stating "They don't want to put these things in their products, so you have to force them." The result is always a product no one buys.
Specifically they stand for DEI = Diversity, Equity, Inclusion which quite literally means blacks, lgbt, obese characters and disabled characters and desexualized females while the male characters are kept heavily sexualized. ESG = Environmental, Social and Governance and similarly demands that you put leftwing themes into the game. Typically this means themes of anti-capitalism, anti-family, environmentalism, socialism, communism, etc. Combined it's literally the South Park parody "put a chick in it, make her gay and lame." and it always in the long-term bankrupts the company.
Stardew Valley is an amazing game, yeah. It's like an old friend. There for you when you need it, and you can pick right back up where you left off like nothing changed between you. And ConcernedApe is genuinely dedicated to making a game that people can enjoy and appreciates his fans. I always play a girl because... well, I am one. But since I swing both ways, I'm always torn between Haley and Sebastian. Oh, and I use the "Busty Farmer" mod because it's amusing to me.
BTW, you into the modding scene? Ever tried Stardew Valley Expanded? Because Sophia is a genuinely great romance option (I like her more than Haley) and Stardew Valley Expanded feels like a DLC because of how faithful it is to the original game with all the things it adds. It's not perfect, but it's a herculean effort on the part of the modders given what it does and accomplishes.
And if you ever wanna pick up another Farm Sim, I've been really into Coral Island lately. It was directly inspired by Stardew Valley and the devs are very open about this fact. There's even a special merchant in the game who sells items unlocked via achievements called "Concerned Monkey." It's really refreshing how much the game stands on its own legs as a completely different farm sim experience form Stardew Valley, yet the devs are still honest about their influences and inspirations like that. There's even a hat inspired by Harvest Moon/Story of Seasons. And yet get to marry a mermaid princess!