Does the game feel like it's trying to preach to you?

[Antonio_]

I'm tired of having to read through a bunch of moronic "woke" posts with very little to no information on how the game actually is. I'm leaning towards the game being perfectly fine and I'm on the cusp of buying it. But I've seen some tiny snippets of the game and it makes me worry.

For those of you who have actually played a decent chunk of the game, does it feel like the game is preaching to you enough to take you out of the game's world? Does it take modern problems in our real world and force it in the fictional fantasy game world with little regard to the "fantasy" part of the genre?

I want to play a game to relax and immerse myself in a different world.

[Swimfan]

Originally posted by Antonio_:

I'm tired of having to read through a bunch of moronic "woke" posts with very little to no information on how the game actually is. I'm leaning towards the game being perfectly fine and I'm on the cusp of buying it. But I've seen some tiny snippets of the game and it makes me worry.

For those of you who have actually played a decent chunk of the game, does it feel like the game is preaching to you enough to take you out of the game's world? Does it take modern problems in our real world and force it in the fictional fantasy game world with little regard to the "fantasy" part of the genre?

I want to play a game to relax and immerse myself in a different world.

The game debates the concept of "democracy" and "racism" ... people complaining about that sort of thing basically reveal themselves to be the problem.

I'd actually applaud the game for tackling a very serious problem of modern politics right now in such a way.

[Antonio_]

Originally posted by Swimfan:

Originally posted by Antonio_:

I'm tired of having to read through a bunch of moronic "woke" posts with very little to no information on how the game actually is. I'm leaning towards the game being perfectly fine and I'm on the cusp of buying it. But I've seen some tiny snippets of the game and it makes me worry.

For those of you who have actually played a decent chunk of the game, does it feel like the game is preaching to you enough to take you out of the game's world? Does it take modern problems in our real world and force it in the fictional fantasy game world with little regard to the "fantasy" part of the genre?

I want to play a game to relax and immerse myself in a different world.

The game debates the concept of "democracy" and "racism" ... people complaining about that sort of thing basically reveal themselves to be the problem.

I'd actually applaud the game for tackling a very serious problem of modern politics right now in such a way.

Yeah but I really don't care about modern politics. I have enough of that at the office.

Does Metaphor's fantasy world feel self-contained and made in a sensible way to entertain?

[REBirthTheEdge]

No.

It is a discussion, you will find people of opposing viewpoints in the game.

[Antonio_]

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

No.

It is a discussion, you will find people of opposing viewpoints in the game.

Thank you, that's all I needed.

[Swimfan]

Originally posted by Antonio_:

Originally posted by Swimfan:

The game debates the concept of "democracy" and "racism" ... people complaining about that sort of thing basically reveal themselves to be the problem.

I'd actually applaud the game for tackling a very serious problem of modern politics right now in such a way.

Yeah but I really don't care about modern politics. I have enough of that at the office.

Does Metaphor's fantasy world feel self-contained and made in a sensible way to entertain?

No, it's a centerpoint of the conflict and characters will actively debate the concept of democracy.

I find it to be very refreshing (and needed in this day and age) because as much as people will claim otherwise: Political systems and their differences are a perfect theming for books and games but opinions may vary.

[REBirthTheEdge]

Originally posted by Antonio_:

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

No.

It is a discussion, you will find people of opposing viewpoints in the game.

Thank you, that's all I needed.

If you like and want to explore political ideologies, you will find some in this game, from militarism supremacy to revolutionary underclass.

Most are simple but they get the primary selling point of their ideology across.

[Swimfan]

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

Most are simple but they get the primary selling point of their ideology across.

Them bringing racism and the overall political system into the mix from minute 1 is the only reason I actually got so engaged. Most jrps nowadays are VERY boring and all have the same "that evil dude is evil because he's evil"-storyline whereas the best and most gripping fiction is always based at least a little on reality (and no, that's not my quote, that's what bestseller authors like George RR Martin say).

[REBirthTheEdge]

Originally posted by Swimfan:

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

Most are simple but they get the primary selling point of their ideology across.

Them bringing racism and the overall political system into the mix from minute 1 is the only reason I actually got so engaged. Most jrps nowadays are VERY boring and all have the same "that evil dude is evil because he's evil"-storyline whereas the best and most gripping fiction is always based at least a little on reality (and no, that's not my quote, that's what bestseller authors like George RR Martin say).

I do like my political debate so I concur.

[Swimfan]

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

Originally posted by Swimfan:

Them bringing racism and the overall political system into the mix from minute 1 is the only reason I actually got so engaged. Most jrps nowadays are VERY boring and all have the same "that evil dude is evil because he's evil"-storyline whereas the best and most gripping fiction is always based at least a little on reality (and no, that's not my quote, that's what bestseller authors like George RR Martin say).

I do like my political debate so I concur.

:-)

Currently reading the Stormlight Archives by Sanderson and one of the reasons I get through thousands of pages of modern high fantasy is because political issues and their debate are part of the course (aka people with light eyecolours ruling over people with dark eyecolours)... as they are in all of the most praised/succesful entertainment media out there.

[Hariman]

Originally posted by Swimfan:

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

Most are simple but they get the primary selling point of their ideology across.

Them bringing racism and the overall political system into the mix from minute 1 is the only reason I actually got so engaged. Most jrps nowadays are VERY boring and all have the same "that evil dude is evil because he's evil"-storyline whereas the best and most gripping fiction is always based at least a little on reality (and no, that's not my quote, that's what bestseller authors like George RR Martin say).

You're taking advice from a man who hasn't finished a book in his main series in a long enough time that other people have finished six book epic Fantasy series.

That is also some of the most generalized advice ever, and it forgets that no advice is absolute in writing.

Well, except "pay your taxes", that's an absolute.

[Cyberweasel89]

"Anti-woke" is just "Why yes, I'm racist, homophobic, and transphobic, and this is my newest buzzword code phrase for this."

A.K.A.: Nice opinion. Which right-wing grifter Youtuber did you steal it from?

ttps:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZtRabDCLyY

[Hariman]

Originally posted by Swimfan:

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

I do like my political debate so I concur.

:-)

Currently reading the Stormlight Archives by Sanderson and one of the reasons I get through thousands of pages of modern high fantasy is because political issues and their debate are part of the course (aka people with light eyecolours ruling over people with dark eyecolours)... as they are in all of the most praised/succesful entertainment media out there.

Boiling it down to people with light eye color ruling over dark eye color completely ignores that the people with light eye colors have superpowers, are protecting the world from literal evil monsters, and that people with dark eye color can gain those superpowers under the right circumstances.

[Hariman]

Originally posted by Cyberweasel89:

"Anti-woke" is just "Why yes, I'm racist, homophobic, and transphobic, and this is my newest buzzword code phrase for this."

A.K.A.: Nice opinion. Which right-wing grifter Youtuber did you steal it from?

ttps:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZtRabDCLyY

The words racist, homophobic, transphobic, and so many other words have gained the meaning "disagreed with someone".

Also, any mention of white people being treated as the scapegoats of all of society's problems and Christians literally getting told that they can never be persecuted even while a record number of churches have been burned down recently and Christians have been arrested for praying silently outside of an abortion clinic shows just how you are entirely backwards on who are the bigots.

Edit: there are a host of societal problems and bad government policy issues that get completely ignored because the people pushing them in government benefit from them, while everybody else suffers.

[Swimfan]

Originally posted by Hariman:

You're taking advice from a man who hasn't finished a book in his main series in a long enough time that other people have finished six book epic Fantasy series.

That is also some of the most generalized advice ever, and it forgets that no advice is absolute in writing.

Well, except "pay your taxes", that's an absolute.

What? :-D Where am I "taking advice"? Sorry but what you're saying is such a stupid argument.
I'm quoting a prize-winning/world famous author/world-builder on how to succesfully write a gripping fantasy world - his writing quality has nothing to do with how awfully slow he writes.


Aka the guy who invented the lore of Elden Ring (as a sidenote).

[Swimfan]

Originally posted by Hariman:

Originally posted by Swimfan:

:-)

Currently reading the Stormlight Archives by Sanderson and one of the reasons I get through thousands of pages of modern high fantasy is because political issues and their debate are part of the course (aka people with light eyecolours ruling over people with dark eyecolours)... as they are in all of the most praised/succesful entertainment media out there.

Boiling it down to people with light eye color ruling over dark eye color completely ignores that the people with light eye colors have superpowers, are protecting the world from literal evil monsters, and that people with dark eye color can gain those superpowers under the right circumstances.

Mate you're spoiling and - as with my previous post - 100% ignore my main point.