Metaphor: ReFantazio

Metaphor: ReFantazio

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asheski Oct 9, 2024 @ 4:55am
Why are people calling this game woke?
The topic of race in the fantasy genre is integral to the world building of it. I don't understand what the problem is. So unless people are just trolling, I genuinely have no clue why people would say that Metaphor is woke.
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Doomsayer Oct 9, 2024 @ 8:51am 
Well, there's no denying that the localisation directly quotes some communist talking points, especially modern ones about equity and such ("Equal competition doesn't mean equal footing"), which can bother you if you've heard ideologues spout it far too many times - normally as an argument to justify grading some people more easily on tests based on their demographic.

If that bothers you, then skip it - if you don't recognise it, then it probably won't affect your enjoyment of the game.
REBirthTheEdge Oct 9, 2024 @ 8:54am 
Originally posted by Doomsayer:
Well, there's no denying that the localisation directly quotes some communist talking points, especially modern ones about equity and such ("Equal competition doesn't mean equal footing"), which can bother you if you've heard ideologues spout it far too many times - normally as an argument to justify grading some people more easily on tests based on their demographic.

If that bothers you, then skip it - if you don't recognise it, then it probably won't affect your enjoyment of the game.
I am quite surprised this even riles up so many people.

Then again I live in a socialist country where this stuff is normal, the strong/rich are viewed with suspicion here.
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Antigreedy Oct 9, 2024 @ 8:58am 
There is no longer any difference today between Japanese games and Western woke games.
Jesterio Oct 9, 2024 @ 9:55am 
Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:
Originally posted by Doomsayer:
Well, there's no denying that the localisation directly quotes some communist talking points, especially modern ones about equity and such ("Equal competition doesn't mean equal footing"), which can bother you if you've heard ideologues spout it far too many times - normally as an argument to justify grading some people more easily on tests based on their demographic.

If that bothers you, then skip it - if you don't recognise it, then it probably won't affect your enjoyment of the game.
I am quite surprised this even riles up so many people.

Then again I live in a socialist country where this stuff is normal, the strong/rich are viewed with suspicion here.

It's mostly some gamers who are obsessed with the culture war. They have no power as we have seen in other "woke" games like Elden Ring, Persona and Baldur's Gate 3.
Sire Oct 9, 2024 @ 10:07am 
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I'll take the bait:

Basically because "woke" is a shorthand of "identitarian left wing politics", and it's very easy for a story about racism and oppression to go into this territory. Not all stories about this are, but in recent years they have predominantly been monopolized by leftists.

This is dues to how politics and culture have been discussed in the USA and spread all over the world.

A few years ago saying that there was a push for a "leftist/woke" agenda on games was seen as a conspiracy theory, however as more and more people who have worked on games have come out to say how they have injected their politics in things they work on, from localizers to game designers to artists, people have started to become aware of such cases. Now we are at the phase where "it's not big deal to have such topics in games" and some go as far as to say "it's morally good to have such things in games and if you are against them you are a bigot".

There is a political divide between the "right" and the "left", each side sees themselves as virtuous and morally correct, while the other side is made up by monsters. Thus we have people saying any right wingers are nazis or fascists, and all leftists are socialists or communists. It's interesting to not that it's socially accetable to be far left and call yourself a communist who wantes revolution while it is not, and many times it's a crime, to be associated with the far right. This has lead to the left winning much ground on the basis that everyone that is against them becomes a fascist and thus needs to be removed from public space and discussions.

The right is going through a growth phase at the moment, and is winning some battles on the "culture war" against the left, because many people have started speaking out about how the politization of entertainment has lead to many products losing it's mass appeal and overall quality when injected with political elements that border on propaganda. The fact that there are companies whose sole purpose is to consult and police content based on morals and percieved "diversity and inclusion" has also lent power to the idea that there is a whole group of people trying to infect games and through their infection spread their ideology.

This is leading some of the right to become increasingly paranoid to anything that could be considered leftist political propaganda and are going through a debate of "at which point does having elements that the left champtions does a product turn from being a simple story to it becoming a propaganda piece", or "how much wokeness is too much"?

There is also a big issue with japanese products because localization teams have had too much freedom with products and have altered them for far too long, anime, light novels and manga having extreme examples of this such as the "Those pesky patriarchical demands were getting on my nerves so I changed my clothes" line from the Dragon Maid dub. There is also a not so hidden prejudice against japanese culture and values from people on the left, that see it as their responsability to change products on the process of localization, this has happened on the Trails of Cold steel localization where members of the team said they altered the humour of the game because they deemed it too "sexist".

So now, every time a japanese game comes out people are going to put it under a microscope to see if there had been any substantial changes and also check if the staff has mentioned in the past about how they dislike something about the japenese culture and felt they had to be "fixed".
Vyserial Oct 9, 2024 @ 10:10am 
I think it's just the pendulum swinging to hard the other way. Like, I get wanting to defend games from terrible and intrusive decisions that do not make the games better but similar to the woke people who rave and rant about not enough diversity a lot of people aren't taking a step back and actually observing things as a whole but are instead hyper focusing on 1 or 2 points and going 'This is/isn't woke! Get rid of it!'
Sur_GalaHad Oct 9, 2024 @ 10:11am 
because its 2024 and everything is woke. That word is so used and abused they slap it on everything these days
Baphled Oct 9, 2024 @ 10:12am 
It's just the world we live in now.

They could release checkers and someone would make post about it being woke. It's a combination of people thinking they're edgy and/or funny, trying to rile people up. Then the people who take this kind of thing way too seriously getting riled up and going on tangents about sex, race, communism, and who knows what else.
Sire Oct 9, 2024 @ 10:24am 
Originally posted by Sur_GalaHad:
because its 2024 and everything is woke. That word is so used and abused they slap it on everything these days
Almost like when people used "fascist", "sexist" or "incel" for everything huh
hush Oct 9, 2024 @ 10:50am 
anti woke mob is the new SJW!
Aoitenshi Oct 9, 2024 @ 10:55am 
If you're referring to the "Atlus is a woke/pro-censorship company" claim, it stems from how they removed some elements from their previous games that was considered problematic.

In Persona 3 Reload, the "Beautiful Lady(?)" was turned into "Delusional Lady(?)". Originally, the boys were scared and ran away from the busty transvestite who showed some sexual interest to them. But in Reload, the whole scene was changed into them trying to run from a member of a cult.

In Persona 5, there was a scene where Ryuji was taken away by two gay men, who clearly showed sexual attraction to him. But in Royal, it was then slightly altered into two men in drag trying to rope him into crossdressing instead.
OtakuBrony Oct 9, 2024 @ 11:00am 
Originally posted by Drake:
People have no sense of nuance anymore, it's either woke or antiwoke...

Wtf happened to fiction just being fiction.

It's the same as when people are triggered by warhammer 40k and its totalitarism.

What happened to having fun with a fictional universe without constantly having people either wanting it to be either more woke or less woke.

Please let authors do their work, stop trying to influcence it and change it because you can't handle the work of others.
Exactly how I feel. Don't get me wrong, I hate woke crap and woke slop but things have been getting overblown as if these people cannot enjoy fictional conflict anymore. There is an distinct difference between woke/propaganda and fictional themes, and I fear people are far gone to differentiate the two. Plus, this is ATLUS in a nutshell if you've ever played any of their other games.
Sire Oct 9, 2024 @ 12:50pm 
Originally posted by OtakuBrony:
Exactly how I feel. Don't get me wrong, I hate woke crap and woke slop but things have been getting overblown as if these people cannot enjoy fictional conflict anymore. There is an distinct difference between woke/propaganda and fictional themes, and I fear people are far gone to differentiate the two. Plus, this is ATLUS in a nutshell if you've ever played any of their other games.

Yea, we are dangerously close of going into a witch hunt at the sight a minimal element that could be seen as woke. We might be losing sight of the nuance of what is propaganda, and what is simply is an element devoid of woke intent.

But to be fair, the amount of activists that work on games companies is making this too hard. How can we differenciate both levels when we have an entire consultation company whose sole purpose is to ensure the political element is inside the game. Or worse when we have members of the localization team who have in the past been proud of altering a product for their political views.
TheMetalfreak360 Oct 9, 2024 @ 12:55pm 
I am not sure what I think about it as it stands.
What gets to me is the reverse-fantasy thing. They view our IRL world as a world with no discrimination or prejudice and see that as a fantasy story to strive for.
Not too far into the demo yet. But I find it kinda odd, I wish they perhaps did not go this route, but it might change as I play more.

I also find the whole prejudice towards Elda race kinda overblown by the fae, she focuses a ton on it, but the people so far into the game have just been wary about you, but that is about it tbh. Kinda surprised they don't focus more on the beastmen tribe when talking, since they seem to face actual discrimination compared.

And woke, it means a lot of things for different people, the word itself is ruined beyond belief.
Woke originally meant to be aware of social, racial issues and inequality.
But now it is more about something being far-left leaning in viewpoint and overall told through the lense of a far-left person.

Personally, the whole debate is just static noise to me.
Is this game is "woke"? In a sense, yes, given it focuses on races and such, like the first description I gave to the word.
But for many people today, the word means the second thing I wrote, which I personally don't see much of. And when people write about the game being woke, it is often the second thing they focus on, bring up marxism or whatnot.

Again, I am just gonna play it myself and see what happens. It is because of this debate somewhere else (the pictures posted about the city having diversity etc.) that I just decided to play the demo myself.
Leone Oct 9, 2024 @ 1:06pm 
Originally posted by Beruang Fighter:
from other site:
You LITERALLY grind out your "TOLERANCE" stats by engaging with precious brown ppl and minorities.
every second sentence in this game being some variations of RICH BAD, CLASS WARFARE, POOR MINORITIES, DIVERSITY GOOD
has typical obnoxious translator team
every character, including the protagonist, is some variation of colored people
Sure bud, Strohl and Hulkenberg are colored people (not) Oh! And Gallica too, yes. Ohhhh and Maria, totally POCs lmao
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