This game Demo gives mixed signals.

[Mermidion]

Played the demo so far and gotta say. They are really hamfisting the whole "discrimination" theme of the game. i mean other games have theme too (like Persona 3 whos theme was "death") but it was not shoved down the throat of the player every second cutscene.

on the other hand, they often talk about an "Peaceful utopie with no magic and a singular race" . soooo the game says Discrimination bad but also Diversity Bad. and that peace is archieved when there is no diversity?

i guess it makes more sense the longer the story goes on and i would have to play the full game.

[KwyjiboKitsune]

Just play the game and let that stuff wash over you.

I absolutely loved punk/pop punk music during my teens but didn't care a jot for the political sermons bands wanted to give you when you went to their shows. Just ignored it and enjoyed the music part.

[AbracaDaniel]

It does feel like a soap opera written by 14 year old so far lol. I guess they know what their fanbase wants. Imo something a bit more mature like berserk would have been nice,

[MyCabbages]

"Peaceful utopia with no magic and a singular race"

I suspect there will be a rug pull on this at some point and the 'humans' in the game will be from said utopia, having suffered some ironic tragic fate.

If not then yes, it is pretty funny for the game to champion tolerance whilst also saying the 'ultimate fantasy' is a world with only one race.

[AbracaDaniel]

Originally posted by MyCabbages:

"Peaceful utopia with no magic and a singular race"

I suspect there will be a rug pull on this at some point and the 'humans' in the game will be from said utopia, having suffered some ironic tragic fate.

If not then yes, it is pretty funny for the game to champion tolerance whilst also saying the 'ultimate fantasy' is a world with only one race.

damn sounds like the ideas of a certain painter

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

Localization issue, because the same people are localizing the games into the ground.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2679460/discussions/0/4335357389281073097/

It's not nearly as forced in the original JP version.

[AbracaDaniel]

Originally posted by The Seraph of Tomorrow:

Localization issue, because the same people are localizing the games into the ground.

It's not nearly as forced in the original JP version.

I hope not.

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

Originally posted by AbracaDaniel:

It does feel like a soap opera written by 14 year old so far lol. I guess they know what their fanbase wants. Imo something a bit more mature like berserk would have been nice,:praisesun:

I highly doubt the people they hire to write these stories have the intellectual capacity to write a mature story. Speaking as a Dark Fantasy writer myself, I see this problem in every industry because the people who are hired to lead writing teams are not done so based on merit, they are hired to check boxes or are nepotism hires.

[Mermidion]

Originally posted by jrterry87:

Just play the game and let that stuff wash over you.

I absolutely loved punk/pop punk music during my teens but didn't care a jot for the political sermons bands wanted to give you when you went to their shows. Just ignored it and enjoyed the music part.

Normally i agree and say that this is the best advise , its why i stopped listening to the conversations in the city there, its all the same theme. but in this game i think it will be pretty hard to ignore since they are so deadset on pointing it out at every corner.

Originally posted by AbracaDaniel:

It does feel like a soap opera written by 14 year old so far lol. I guess they know what their fanbase wants. Imo something a bit more mature like berserk would have been nice,:praisesun:

Agree, so far the "worldbuildung" seems to be this games weakes point with overly relying on its theme. the mainstory with the prince and the rising of a new ruler could be good, if the game would focus more on that in the future.

Originally posted by MyCabbages:

"Peaceful utopia with no magic and a singular race"

I suspect there will be a rug pull on this at some point and the 'humans' in the game will be from said utopia, having suffered some ironic tragic fate.

If not then yes, it is pretty funny for the game to champion tolerance whilst also saying the 'ultimate fantasy' is a world with only one race.

yeah, i thought something similiar as well the first time they mentioned humans.

Originally posted by The Seraph of Tomorrow:

Localization issue, because the same people are localizing the games into the ground.

It's not nearly as forced in the original JP version.

not that i disagree but do you speak japanese yourself or you maybe have a source with some more accurate translation? that would really interest me if it is so.
i play the game with german text, but sadly the german subtitles are 1 to 1 translation from the eng dub.

[AbracaDaniel]

Originally posted by The Seraph of Tomorrow:

Originally posted by AbracaDaniel:

It does feel like a soap opera written by 14 year old so far lol. I guess they know what their fanbase wants. Imo something a bit more mature like berserk would have been nice,

I highly doubt the people they hire to write these stories have the intellectual capacity to write a mature story. Speaking as a Dark Fantasy writer myself, I see this problem in every industry because the people who are hired to lead writing teams are not done so based on merit, they are hired to check boxes or are nepotism hires.

I have been enjoying the writing of Citizien Sleeper and Pentiment alot recently.

[N/A]

Originally posted by AbracaDaniel:

It does feel like a soap opera written by 14 year old so far lol. I guess they know what their fanbase wants. Imo something a bit more mature like berserk would have been nice,:praisesun:

You can't be for real right now. Berserk isn't more mature in any sense. Berserk is just a constant edge-fest of tragedy for the sake of tragedy that doesn't go anywhere and is melodramatic at times. Like, I could accept that they are both melodramatic and mature due to their themes but putting Berserk over this games story is ludicrous especially when every criticism you have against this games story can be leveled against Berserk.

[N/A]

Originally posted by MyCabbages:

"Peaceful utopia with no magic and a singular race"

I suspect there will be a rug pull on this at some point and the 'humans' in the game will be from said utopia, having suffered some ironic tragic fate.

If not then yes, it is pretty funny for the game to champion tolerance whilst also saying the 'ultimate fantasy' is a world with only one race.

So Attack on Titan? That would be disappointing but they've done something similar before with SMT IV.

[AbracaDaniel]

Originally posted by N/A:

Originally posted by AbracaDaniel:

It does feel like a soap opera written by 14 year old so far lol. I guess they know what their fanbase wants. Imo something a bit more mature like berserk would have been nice,

You can't be for real right now. Berserk isn't more mature in any sense. Berserk is just a constant edge-fest of tragedy for the sake of tragedy that doesn't go anywhere and is melodramatic at times. Like, I could accept that they are both melodramatic and mature due to their themes but putting Berserk over this games story is ludicrous especially when every criticism you have against this games story can be leveled against Berserk.

this made me chuckle, thanks

[Cheetos]

The book doesn't really say anything is bad or good. It just tries to describe author's view on an ideal society that can eliminate any type of conflict or harm for society. It doesn't mean "diversity is bad" but it creates a possible reason for conflict or harm so it has no place in author's utopia. Also "singular race" might also mean no tribes and single nation, everyone sees themselves as part of the nation and not a tribe or something like that.

[Griever]

"Peaceful utopie with no magic and a singular race"

I think the vocabulary often is erroneously mistaking race and species.
Fantasy worlds really have completely unrelated species. Humans, Elves, etc.
This is the case in Euchronia (same as Dragon Age, LOTR, etc) and why there is inter-specie hatred. It's like IRL if there were humans and Aliens.

However the real world has humans divided into races, but saying that this society is still immensely better than a society with different species and hatred.

TLDR: The game doesn't say that there is only one race on the planet and that everyone should somehow mix or disappear lol. It's saying there is only humanity, and people of different races live peacefully in that humanity. Which isn't the case IRL (there is strife for various reasons, religious, etc) but whatever.

[Mermidion]

Originally posted by Cheetos:

The book doesn't really say anything is bad or good. It just tries to describe author's view on an ideal society that can eliminate any type of conflict or harm for society. It doesn't mean "diversity is bad" but it creates a possible reason for conflict or harm so it has no place in author's utopia. Also "singular race" might also mean no tribes and single nation, everyone sees themselves as part of the nation and not a tribe or something like that.

i am pretty sure that when they talk about the book that they say that the book story was "inspirational" and that it would be "great if such a world could be made" or something similiar in that regard and the author himself said that he is wishing for such a world.....pretty sure thats the game way painting the book utopie as "good" to the player. wether the player actually believes that is another thing entirely.

Still even if we take the book as neutral. it still wouldnt fix the overaching problem of the game of hamfisting its theme all the time.