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Singh 5 OCT 2024 a las 10:02
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Remove Denuvo
No interest in buying this game (or even wishlisting it for that matter) until Denuvo is removed.

I'll also assume some of the technical problems people are complaining about may also be attributed to poor implementation of Denuvo (or perhaps just Denuvo itself) as has been the case repeatedly in the past with other games (that other developers have acknowledged).
Última edición por Singh; 5 OCT 2024 a las 10:04
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Publicado originalmente por MancSoulja:
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Absolutely nothing because the pirates are in a league of their own and cannot be beaten. You can't get somewhere you are already at. I say all this as matter of fact and not whatever weird game it is you and others are playing.

Denuvo's literally beaten them. Keep up, why do you think they're so mad? There's one person on the planet currently capable of cracking Denuvo and she doesn't do it anymore unless its a game she wants to play and Empress hates JRPGs.

Persona 3 Reload still hasn't been cracked. the wars over, Denuvo won lol

Edit: After checking Persona 4 Royal still hasn't even been cracked and that released on PC nearly 3 years ago.
You're years behind the new ways to pirate games. Denuvo offline activation sites are all the rage now. No cracking required. They have all the latest games on release day, Wukong, FC2025, FFXVI... Denuvo isn't relevant anymore.

Meanwhile, new games without strong anti-piracy protections still dominate the video game market...(Source[imgur.com]) BG3, Palworld, Balatro, Satisfactory, DB Sparking Zero with 3 million copies sold the first day without DRM... Denuvo has been used 45% less than in 2023 (20 as opposed to 36 - games last year - Source[www.pcgamingwiki.com]) despite more games released than ever
- Even EA is releasing their major title Dragon Age Veilguard WITHOUT ANY DRM (Source[www.gamesradar.com]).

I think the industry will be just fine without Denuvo.
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Publicado originalmente por glitch00:
The game has very low system requirements which means Denuvo shouldn't have so much of an impact on performance.

I will test this theory soon myself.

Specs: i5-13600K / NVIDIA RTX 3050 6GB / 64 GB DDR4 RAM

If I can still play at 60 fps, 1080p, at 125% scaling, High textures like the demo, then Denuvo doesn't affect this particular game as much as other titles.
You can't say that for sure. No one knows whether or not it causes any difference in performance beyond margin of error. Only the devs can know this.
Denuvo can be as bad as taking away 15-20% of performance, in case of ME:A, to basically having no impact beyond margin of error.
With RE2 where the Denuvo-less exe leaked only a few days after its launch there was a bit of a difference IIRC. Like 5%.
To clarify though, this doesn't matter in the end. Denuvo for all I care could boost performance by 5-10% through software magic, with zero loss to quality or resource usage, it'd still suck because in the end it's something that prevents you from using the thing you paid for. Even if you want to argue "you're just paying for the license, you're not actually owning the game", it still messes with that, with how you access said license.

Denuvo sucks and Valve should already ban it from their platform. Valve should outright ban all thirty party launchers and end-user DRM. Have the publishers and devs scramble. Either they stay on Steam and leave out extra DRM in future titles or they need to go find a new place to sell their slop at. This crap can't continue like this. Always-online, Denuvo/etc, $80 base games/$110 Deluxe editions, broken ports, broken launches which take as long as 2 years to fix, random EULA changes or patches that add new DRM to the game, piss-poor optimization that requires a $1400 GPU to use DLSS lest you're playing at subpar fps, etc. It's all gone too far.
Publicado originalmente por Yes Man:
How many denuvo game are out there? And it still the same complain over and over
Like they'll ever missed y'all
You'd be surprised how many people despise Denuvo. It doesn't help that with rather niche games like this you're also tapping into a niche market which is more likely to know about this kind of stuff and/or at least read about it on forums.
Denuvo doesn't make these companies money, the only one profiting is Irdeto itself. They charge exorbitant amounts of money as base fee + an activation fee per game on top. For what? To stop pirates? The same pirates who'll not buy the game either way?
There's no lost sale here. The few % of people who pirate who will buy it because there's no day 1 crack can't be compared to the money these studios lose with all those fees. Lost sale is a myth which is largely untrue and perpetuated by certain companies and entities. For what gain? Idk. Maybe you can somehow get tax write-offs, lmao.
It's the same spiel with the luxury industry who'll frequently cry about "lost sales" when it comes to knock-off sneakers and handbags. Saying that criminals caused damages upwards of $400 million in X or Y country/region. In reality that figure's off and they used their own prices to calculate that number. Like someone spending $40 on fake sneakers would've spent $280 on the real thing instead. In reality the loss is far less and only a small % of those people would've ever given their money to the real brand to begin with. It's crying over nothing, while wasting millions of dollars on anti-piracy/anti-whatever campaigns.
This is about scaring people and conditioning them, nothing more. The music industry did the same in the early 2000s when they sued a handful of individuals, which cost them millions upon millions, nothing of which they received back. Some of those people paid a few thousand to like a few tens of thousands in "damages" and that's it. It was a scare campaign which didn't even target the end-user, but rather individuals who shared music on a larger scale, if you believe the reports and backstories of these people anyway.

In the end Denuvo sucks and the more people notice the "Denuvo anti-tamper" tag on the store page, the better. Let these companies bleed money until they're forced to provide a better product and better service. Stuff that we as consumers pay for, handsomely might I add.
CapitalismIsADoomsdayMachine 7 OCT 2024 a las 13:18 
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Publicado originalmente por It's about sending a message:
At least get it right. RE8's stuttering had literally nothing to do with Denuvo. Capcom put their own anti-tamper/anti-cheat into the game as well and that's what caused the stuttering, not Denuvo.

Not true. Capcom's anti-tamper/anti-cheat was embedded in the implementation of Denuvo itself for RE:Village. Digital Foundry even explicitly references this in their video on the subject @3:30. Pretending that Capcom's anti-tamper/anti-cheat has nothing to do with Denuvo is absurdly dishonest and incorrect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXZGCwAJpbM&t=98s

Publicado originalmente por It's about sending a message:
I have no clue why people keep getting this wrong when it's so easy to look up. All this does is make it look like you want to con people by spreading lies.

Go ahead and explain why you got it wrong then and are spreading "lies" yourself.

Publicado originalmente por It's about sending a message:
Denuvo can have a performance impact, but it didn't cause RE8's stuttering. There's a difference.

There's no difference. The implementation of Capcom's anti-cheat was married with Denuvo and that's a black box you're not going to be able to see into and differentiate. Stuttering is also a common problem people report with games that use Denuvo. It's become a hallmark feature of Denuvo at this point.

Digital Foundry reached out to Denuvo for comment on the results they found with RE:Village in that video. You know why there's no Digital Foundry video with Denuvo's response? Because there was none.
Apoc 7 OCT 2024 a las 13:18 
Thx for Denuvo!

This Masterpiece should not be played by poor pirate people.

Price should be 90 Dollars for Standart edition.
olivine 7 OCT 2024 a las 13:26 
just wait a few weeks and do the ironic thing
arroutado 7 OCT 2024 a las 13:47 
It's at 40€ on eneba.
Apoc 7 OCT 2024 a las 13:48 
Publicado originalmente por arroutado:
It's at 40€ on eneba.
This is a dark place.
arroutado 7 OCT 2024 a las 13:52 
Publicado originalmente por Merlisdo:
Publicado originalmente por arroutado:
It's at 40€ on eneba.
This is a dark place.
No matter, it's a key that works on steam with a legal copy and it's more economic.
「Lukja」 7 OCT 2024 a las 14:01 
This goober baits people into heated discussions then reports them. Just block and report.
TR1PLE 6 7 OCT 2024 a las 14:09 
Publicado originalmente por Merlisdo:
Thx for Denuvo!

This Masterpiece should not be played by poor pirate people.

Price should be 90 Dollars for Standart edition.
Oh for crying out loud, stop defending this DRM garbage and assuming the Denuvo haters are pirates. :steamfacepalm:

It not only affects performance but also INCREASES loading times:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07NMuobVVwQ
Kamen Rider Build 7 OCT 2024 a las 14:23 
Publicado originalmente por arroutado:
Publicado originalmente por Merlisdo:
This is a dark place.
No matter, it's a key that works on steam with a legal copy and it's more economic.
legal? its a stolen key dude
TR1PLE 6 7 OCT 2024 a las 14:45 
Yeah, don't use Eneba. Check prices on IsThereAnyDeal.com since only the LEGIT key sellers are listed there.
There's also GG.deals but turn off Keyshops if you use that site.
Publicado originalmente por CapitalismIsADoomsdayMachine:
Publicado originalmente por It's about sending a message:
At least get it right. RE8's stuttering had literally nothing to do with Denuvo. Capcom put their own anti-tamper/anti-cheat into the game as well and that's what caused the stuttering, not Denuvo.

Not true. Capcom's anti-tamper/anti-cheat was embedded in the implementation of Denuvo itself for RE:Village. Digital Foundry even explicitly references this in their video on the subject @3:30. Pretending that Capcom's anti-tamper/anti-cheat has nothing to do with Denuvo is absurdly dishonest and incorrect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXZGCwAJpbM&t=98s

Publicado originalmente por It's about sending a message:
I have no clue why people keep getting this wrong when it's so easy to look up. All this does is make it look like you want to con people by spreading lies.

Go ahead and explain why you got it wrong then and are spreading "lies" yourself.

Publicado originalmente por It's about sending a message:
Denuvo can have a performance impact, but it didn't cause RE8's stuttering. There's a difference.

There's no difference. The implementation of Capcom's anti-cheat was married with Denuvo and that's a black box you're not going to be able to see into and differentiate. Stuttering is also a common problem people report with games that use Denuvo. It's become a hallmark feature of Denuvo at this point.

Digital Foundry reached out to Denuvo for comment on the results they found with RE:Village in that video. You know why there's no Digital Foundry video with Denuvo's response? Because there was none.
1. "Embedded within Denuvo" Source: trust me, bro
Besides that not mattering as it was Capcom's own anti-tamper which was the issue (also, Capcom's own DRM/anti-tamper likely isn't about piracy at all). If RE3's experience holds true it's a basic anti-cheat and nothing more. In RE3 you'd get softlocked if you used cheat engine and such. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI2A9HYnMGM
Nothing suggests this was Denuvo's doing and I'd trust people with deeper insight into the engine and cracking over the DF clowns.
2. Feel free to browse the RE8 forum and check for yourself, as well as your go-to cracking sites for more inside knowledge. Once again, RE3 had this anti-tamper/cheat as well and it didn't cause issues there. It caused issues in RE8, because it was a shoddy PC launch. Even "veteran reviewers" like Angry Joe failed to notice how crappy the game ran on launch. Most people pay no attention to stuttering, as it's the modus operandi for modern games and people are sadly used to microstutters and other issues like bad frame pacing.
It's also Capcom, a Japanese studio which never cared about their PC ports. Nothing much else to say, but if you want to dismiss any of this and then claim, also without any real proof, that it was totally Denuvo bro, feel free.
3. Once again, no. There's no proof whatsoever that Denuvo was merged with Capcom's anti-whatever. Obviously Capcom's anti-whatever runs inside the exe and Denuvo protects the exe, also running inside of it. That's about it. If that's what you meant, but I honestly can't tell. This is just reaching loony territory now. It's just sad how people would rather lie and perpetuate garbage misinformation than to just call Denuvo out for what it truly does wrong.
Publicado originalmente por TR1PLE 6:
Yeah, don't use Eneba. Check prices on IsThereAnyDeal.com since only the LEGIT key sellers are listed there.
There's also GG.deals but turn off Keyshops if you use that site.
Nothing wrong with "le gray market resellers".
I pre-ordered several games in the past few years on IG and had no issues with delivery or activation. These "gray market" resellers are no different than using eBay in most cases. If you get scammed that's because you fell for a scam seller and not because the entire thing's a scam.
99% of these keys stem from retail copies or from Humble. There's no such thing as "stolen keys" as a key can only be generated by the developer via Steam, and any fraudulent purchases on for example Humble will have the keys revoked rather quickly.
The only truly scummy thing that can happen is reviewers lying about wanting to review a game and give out a couple of copies to their readers/viewers, and instead they sell the keys for a couple of bucks on those sites, or to other sellers. This is a rare exception and it's still triggered by the dev generating and giving out those keys en bulk.
Publicado originalmente por Kamen Rider Build:
Publicado originalmente por arroutado:
No matter, it's a key that works on steam with a legal copy and it's more economic.
legal? its a stolen key dude
No such thing as stolen keys. If someone purchases a key on a dev's own website (such as the Bamco EU store) or on Humble and tries to scam by issuing a chargeback or using stolen CCs, then the key will be revoked again.
If you buy a key and it activates then the chance of it bouncing a week or two later is nigh zero. I've read about it happening before, but never had the issue myself (with dozens of games), nor does it seem to be a common issue at all.
There's genuine concern to be had over some of the websites that sell keys, as some of them try to upsell you garbage like subscriptions, but you can opt out of all those things. The keys and the sellers, the ones with high volumes of sales, are legit.
Última edición por It's about sending a message; 7 OCT 2024 a las 19:30
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