hard mode limitations

[jalipeno97]

am i alone in thinking that the rewind and assist buttons shouldnt be accessible on hard modes? i know the assist button was usable on hard in p5 and p3r but youd think that mechanics which actively remove challenge from the game would be limited or removed from a difficulty option designed to beat you senseless?

[Af0]

im more pissed off i couldn't play on the hardest mode to begin with. Do I really need to get through hard mode and spoil everything and THEN challenge myself on the hardest difficulty? Dated game design choice.

[jalipeno97]

Originally posted by Af0:

im more pissed off i couldn't play on the hardest mode to begin with. Do I really need to get through hard mode and spoil everything and THEN challenge myself on the hardest difficulty? Dated game design choice.

true i stopped playing the demo for that reason

[󠀡󠀡]

No I agree as well, when I first seen the Rewind feature I was like this is a weird feature to have on Hard Mode. Definitely a little hand-holdy ngl

[Martini]

rewind is debatable, but assist button literally just saves time, all that information is already there in the UI

[F.O.A.M]

Originally posted by Martini:

rewind is debatable, but assist button literally just saves time, all that information is already there in the UI

isnt the assist just "this guy has a weakness you can hit" from persona?
that is a convenience and not really something that should be removed on harder difficulties. as clicking up their information gives you that. i pretty much never use it anyway but still

[Stoibs]

Wait what does assist do here?
I think I vaguely remember that it auto swaps your persona to something that can hit a weakness in the P games (and then I need to manually swap back to a different one I actually want anyway because it seems to just pick one at random..) but how does that work here with only one 'archetype'?

I admit I forgot about the rewind button. I'll have to try that next time I play to see how it works. Sounds useful for Boss fights though rather than annoyingly having to sit through gameover dialogue and loading up a save/running all the way back etc.

[Swimfan]

Originally posted by Af0:

im more pissed off i couldn't play on the hardest mode to begin with. Do I really need to get through hard mode and spoil everything and THEN challenge myself on the hardest difficulty? Dated game design choice.

Eventhough I enjoy ATLUS games on Normal (because they normally balance that mode really well) I do agree that locking any sort of difficulty is very outdated - especially in big RPGs that take 40+ hours to complete on your first run.

[TwoDucksOneAnus]

Originally posted by jappy:

am i alone in thinking that the rewind and assist buttons shouldnt be accessible on hard modes? i know the assist button was usable on hard in p5 and p3r but youd think that mechanics which actively remove challenge from the game would be limited or removed from a difficulty option designed to beat you senseless?

I agree with you about rewind, but I just pretend its not there. I get that limiting yourself isn't the same feeling as the game limiting you for a lot of people, but personally just ignoring its existence for a few hours made me forget it was even an option.

[goodbye_bonito]

Originally posted by TwoDucksOneAnus:

Originally posted by jappy:

am i alone in thinking that the rewind and assist buttons shouldnt be accessible on hard modes? i know the assist button was usable on hard in p5 and p3r but youd think that mechanics which actively remove challenge from the game would be limited or removed from a difficulty option designed to beat you senseless?

I agree with you about rewind, but I just pretend its not there. I get that limiting yourself isn't the same feeling as the game limiting you for a lot of people, but personally just ignoring its existence for a few hours made me forget it was even an option.

It's not that different to reloading saves to get better rng next time, I don't think it's that of a problem for hard mode. Just a quality of life feature that simplifies save reload.