Is Metaphor a clone of Persona?

[TonDon]

I wonder..

It seems Metaphor, enhanced version of Persona. Different theme, world, monsters but almost the same mechanics, graphics, dungeon designs, side quests etc.

[Nightmarian]

Clone is probably an unfair way to look at it. It's very much Fantasy Persona though. So much stuff is 1:1. It's like Atlus branched the series into contemporary and fantasy.

Which is fine, I prefer fanasy all day every day, and Persona is currently their most people series by far even if I'm a Digital Devil and SMT stan mostly.

Confused as to why people see its similarities to persona as a negative though. Not sure if you've noticed, but Persona, a sideline game of SMT, is their most popular IP by far and is selling like hotcakes. P5 was a GOTY contendor.

Why would people not want more persona?

[RyuHazuki]

Yeah very much like Persona with different themes and stuff. But gameplay mechanics are almost same. Well at least for first 2 and half hours.

DOesnt really matter to me because i love Persona games.

[Tabe]

I would say more like a mix of mainline SMT and Persona, and it is great!

[Fëanor]

Does it lean heavily into life sim stuff like Persona? I've never found that stuff very appealing.

[REBirthTheEdge]

It is very inspired, yes. Like Dark Souls to Elden Ring.

[BigCatRob]

Originally posted by Nightmarian:

Clone is probably an unfair way to look at it. It's very much Fantasy Persona though. So much stuff is 1:1. It's like Atlus branched the series into contemporary and fantasy.

Which is fine, I prefer fanasy all day every day, and Persona is currently their most people series by far even if I'm a Digital Devil and SMT stan mostly.

Confused as to why people see its similarities to persona as a negative though. Not sure if you've noticed, but Persona, a sideline game of SMT, is their most popular IP by far and is selling like hotcakes. P5 was a GOTY contendor.

Why would people not want more persona?

If I wanted more Persona, I would just play more Persona. Metaphor is looking to be a good game, but it's just being heavily carried by mechanics and design that both the Persona and SMT series currently has set for them. It's not a completely bad thing, but I feel like it makes the game lack it's own identity and what could make it unique for it to stand out on its own. Hell, even character design is just too reminiscent of those from Persona (Protag is P3 Protag with heterochromia, Strohl is just Akihiko, Etc.). Not something I would pick up at launch for $70.

[REBirthTheEdge]

Originally posted by BigCatRob:

Originally posted by Nightmarian:

Clone is probably an unfair way to look at it. It's very much Fantasy Persona though. So much stuff is 1:1. It's like Atlus branched the series into contemporary and fantasy.

Which is fine, I prefer fanasy all day every day, and Persona is currently their most people series by far even if I'm a Digital Devil and SMT stan mostly.

Confused as to why people see its similarities to persona as a negative though. Not sure if you've noticed, but Persona, a sideline game of SMT, is their most popular IP by far and is selling like hotcakes. P5 was a GOTY contendor.

Why would people not want more persona?

If I wanted more Persona, I would just play more Persona. Metaphor is looking to be a good game, but it's just being heavily carried by mechanics and design that both the Persona and SMT series currently has set for them. It's not a completely bad thing, but I feel like it makes the game lack it's own identity and what could make it unique for it to stand out on its own. Hell, even character design is just too reminiscent of those from Persona (Protag is P3 Protag with heterochromia, Strohl is just Akihiko, Etc.). Not something I would pick up at launch for $70.

Why care about something stupid like identity and not just play a good game?

[BigCatRob]

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

Originally posted by BigCatRob:

If I wanted more Persona, I would just play more Persona. Metaphor is looking to be a good game, but it's just being heavily carried by mechanics and design that both the Persona and SMT series currently has set for them. It's not a completely bad thing, but I feel like it makes the game lack it's own identity and what could make it unique for it to stand out on its own. Hell, even character design is just too reminiscent of those from Persona (Protag is P3 Protag with heterochromia, Strohl is just Akihiko, Etc.). Not something I would pick up at launch for $70.

Why care about something stupid like identity and not just play a good game?

Because I already own good games with pretty much a 1:1 identity? With that in mind, I'd just be paying $70 for Metaphor's story. And while the story appears decent enough, I don't think it's worth that much. So I'll more than like wait until it's on sale. Performance issues are another glaring factor too and if the developer doesn't take care of it themselves why would I give them that much money in the first place?

[REBirthTheEdge]

Originally posted by BigCatRob:

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

Why care about something stupid like identity and not just play a good game?

Because I already own good games with pretty much a 1:1 identity? With that in mind, I'd just be paying $70 for Metaphor's story. And while the story appears decent enough, I don't think it's worth that much. So I'll more than like wait until it's on sale. Performance issues are another glaring factor too and if the developer doesn't take care of it themselves why would I give them that much money in the first place?

That makes no sense, it's not like Persona 6 is coming out at the same time.

How many Personae games do you already own that have 1:1 identity?

A video game is not like a porcelain bowl where you own 10 and you say enough.

[BigCatRob]

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

Originally posted by BigCatRob:

Because I already own good games with pretty much a 1:1 identity? With that in mind, I'd just be paying $70 for Metaphor's story. And while the story appears decent enough, I don't think it's worth that much. So I'll more than like wait until it's on sale. Performance issues are another glaring factor too and if the developer doesn't take care of it themselves why would I give them that much money in the first place?

That makes no sense, it's not like Persona 6 is coming out at the same time.

How many Personae games do you already own that have 1:1 identity?

A video game is not like a porcelain bowl where you own 10 and you say enough.

Again this is about the game lacking identity in both gameplay and design choices for itself, leaning a bit too heavily into what makes series like Persona or SMT unique. If I wanted to play either of those, I'd just play them since i already own em. Also again with near 1:1 gameplay and design choices in mind, i dont think Metaphor's story is going to be worth the $70 so I'll wait for a sale where i can pick it up for $30-35 USD, maybe even less.

[REBirthTheEdge]

Originally posted by BigCatRob:

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

That makes no sense, it's not like Persona 6 is coming out at the same time.

How many Personae games do you already own that have 1:1 identity?

A video game is not like a porcelain bowl where you own 10 and you say enough.

Again this is about the game lacking identity in both gameplay and design choices for itself, leaning a bit too heavily into what makes series like Persona or SMT unique. If I wanted to play either of those, I'd just play them since i already own em. Also again with near 1:1 gameplay and design choices in mind, i dont think Metaphor's story is going to be worth the $70 so I'll wait for a sale where i can pick it up for $30-35 USD, maybe even less.

This is like saying if I want to play SMT 3, I can just play SMT 4 or SMT 5 instead because they belong to the same series.

At this point I don't even understand what you mean by identity, are all MegaTen and Personae games interchangeable?

[BigCatRob]

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

Originally posted by BigCatRob:

Again this is about the game lacking identity in both gameplay and design choices for itself, leaning a bit too heavily into what makes series like Persona or SMT unique. If I wanted to play either of those, I'd just play them since i already own em. Also again with near 1:1 gameplay and design choices in mind, i dont think Metaphor's story is going to be worth the $70 so I'll wait for a sale where i can pick it up for $30-35 USD, maybe even less.

This is like saying if I want to play SMT 3, I can just play SMT 4 or SMT 5 instead because they belong to the same series.

At this point I don't even understand what you mean by identity, are all MegaTen and Personae games interchangeable?

That's not like saying if I wanted to play SMT 3, I'd play SMT 4 or 5 instead. You know why? They belong to the same series. Wow shocker isn't it? If you make a new IP, you shouldn't lean so heavily into something that's already established with your other series without giving it some sort of spice to make the gameplay unique compared to what it's based off of. Like how Persona branched off from traditional SMT gameplay to offer a more casual approach and eventually droping the SMT part of its naming altogether. What does Metaphor really offer in its gameplay to make it stand out from what its based from in order to be it's own thing?

[Makan]

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

This is like saying if I want to play SMT 3, I can just play SMT 4 or SMT 5 instead because they belong to the same series.

At this point I don't even understand what you mean by identity, are all MegaTen and Personae games interchangeable?

I agree.
That's complete nonsense.

[REBirthTheEdge]

Originally posted by BigCatRob:

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

This is like saying if I want to play SMT 3, I can just play SMT 4 or SMT 5 instead because they belong to the same series.

At this point I don't even understand what you mean by identity, are all MegaTen and Personae games interchangeable?

That's not like saying if I wanted to play SMT 3, I'd play SMT 4 or 5 instead. You know why? They belong to the same series. Wow shocker isn't it? If you make a new IP, you shouldn't lean so heavily into something that's already established with your other series without giving it some sort of spice to make the gameplay unique compared to what it's based off of. Like how Persona branched off from traditional SMT gameplay to offer a more casual approach and eventually droping the SMT part of its naming altogether. What does Metaphor really offer in its gameplay to make it stand out from what its based from in order to be it's own thing?

From the very basic look, it's the return of the press turn system, formation, the ability to switch class, and a new fantasy setting, new characters, lore, etc.

If they call this SMT: Fantasy or Persona; Fantasy, I'd buy it all the same.

[BigCatRob]

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

Originally posted by BigCatRob:

That's not like saying if I wanted to play SMT 3, I'd play SMT 4 or 5 instead. You know why? They belong to the same series. Wow shocker isn't it? If you make a new IP, you shouldn't lean so heavily into something that's already established with your other series without giving it some sort of spice to make the gameplay unique compared to what it's based off of. Like how Persona branched off from traditional SMT gameplay to offer a more casual approach and eventually droping the SMT part of its naming altogether. What does Metaphor really offer in its gameplay to make it stand out from what its based from in order to be it's own thing?

From the very basic look, it's the return of the press turn system, formation, the ability to switch class, and a new fantasy setting, new characters, lore, etc.

If they call this SMT: Fantasy or Persona; Fantasy, I'd buy it all the same.

Honestly sad consumerism but hey it's your money so do what you want with it.