I'm Sure Atlus Never Made Games With Real-World Subtext

[mdesaleah]

(looks over at practically all of their games, from Soul Hackers to Persona 5 to Catherine to SMT4 to even SMT 1/2)

Nope, theyve never made any real-world statements at all :D

(seriously, how many of you just apparently plugged your ears the entire time P5 kept talking about how rich and powerful 'adults' abuse their positions and how systems are kept in place to hold them up. It was never subtle lol)

[Faiyez]

I don't have any issue with the general themes and messages from this game (no one should).

I have an issue with the idea of creative Atlus teams possibly having been "reeducated" by the very same people who are bent on erasing fun from Japanese games, with this game being the obvious result.

There is no real fanservice content in Metaphor. Picking a girl to make your queen could have easily been in the game, but was apparently scrapped. No one has any real sex appeal and there is evidence that one of the characters had her assets reduced during development.

That's what makes this game a departure from Persona, Catherine etc.

Paired with, let's face it, the heavy handed messaging and honestly, it makes it all very suspect.

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by Faiyez:

I don't have any issue with the general themes and messages from this game (no one should).
having been "reeducated" by the very same people who are bent on erasing fun from Japanese games, with this game being the obvious result.

There is no real fanservice content in Metaphor. Picking a girl to make your queen could have easily been in the game, but was apparently scrapped. No one has any real sex appeal and there is evidence that one of the characters had her assets reduced during development

There is a fix for this.

Go outside, touch the grass on the ground, then come back.

[Faiyez]

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

There is a fix for this.

Go outside, touch the grass on the ground, then come back.

I initially thought you started a thread to encourage discussion and consider different perspectives, but it seems this is not the case and I was mistaken. My bad for not recognizing the null value of your thread and your participation in this board.

[hÆLëØS]

ugh you torpeodoed your thread dude.

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Originally posted by Faiyez:

Go outside, touch the grass on the ground, then come back.

[archonsod]

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

(seriously, how many of you just apparently plugged your ears the entire time P5 kept talking about how rich and powerful 'adults' abuse their positions and how systems are kept in place to hold them up. It was never subtle lol)

I don't know what you mean, 'Shido' is a completely different name from 'Shinzo', any similarities must therefore simply be a figment of your imagination.

Originally posted by Faiyez:

No one has any real sex appeal

Speak for yourself :P I think what you mean is none of the characters are attempting to engage in melee combat while wearing what is basically a swimsuit, which could simply be a result of them going for something more of a gritty realism aesthetic to distinguish their fantasy RPG from competitors like Dragon Quest or Final Fantasy. Even then, there's plenty of ladies in the game sporting what would be considered the classic femme fatale look, and of course the school uniform DLC if that's what floats your boat.

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by archonsod:

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

(seriously, how many of you just apparently plugged your ears the entire time P5 kept talking about how rich and powerful 'adults' abuse their positions and how systems are kept in place to hold them up. It was never subtle lol)

I don't know what you mean, 'Shido' is a completely different name from 'Shinzo', any similarities must therefore simply be a figment of your imagination.

Originally posted by Faiyez:

No one has any real sex appeal

Speak for yourself :P I think what you mean is none of the characters are attempting to engage in melee combat while wearing what is basically a swimsuit, which could simply be a result of them going for something more of a gritty realism aesthetic to distinguish their fantasy RPG from competitors like Dragon Quest or Final Fantasy. Even then, there's plenty of ladies in the game sporting what would be considered the classic femme fatale look, and of course the school uniform DLC if that's what floats your boat.

If you also need a normal point of comparison within a "fantasy" setting.

SMT4 starts off in a kingdom. All the main characters dress appropriately for their positions, and even when you go underground, everything is still very fitting.

Atlus is good at creating a setting. Not pointless fanservice, there are other games for that (or DLC costumes)

[JCKLNTRN]

Originally posted by Faiyez:

Picking a girl to make your queen could have easily been in the game, but was apparently scrapped.

This is dishonest and manipulative language. In order for something to be "scrapped" it would need to have existed in the first place, and there is no evidence for that.

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by JCKLNTRN:

Originally posted by Faiyez:

Picking a girl to make your queen could have easily been in the game, but was apparently scrapped.

This is dishonest and manipulative language. In order for something to be "scrapped" it would need to have existed in the first place, and there is no evidence for that.

And even then "cut content" should never be used to judge what the actual final vision turns out to be.

[REBirthTheEdge]

I still wait for another DDS games, but maybe Metaphor will do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHJbE_kfybs

Rend, slaughter, devour your enemies.
There is no other way to survive, you cannot escape your hunger, warriors of Purgatory.

[KARTOFFEL]

Originally posted by Faiyez:

I don't have any issue with the general themes and messages from this game (no one should).

I have an issue with the idea of creative Atlus teams possibly having been "reeducated" by the very same people who are bent on erasing fun from Japanese games, with this game being the obvious result.

There is no real fanservice content in Metaphor. Picking a girl to make your queen could have easily been in the game, but was apparently scrapped. No one has any real sex appeal and there is evidence that one of the characters had her assets reduced during development.

That's what makes this game a departure from Persona, Catherine etc.

Paired with, let's face it, the heavy handed messaging and honestly, it makes it all very suspect.

If the only thing you get from persona is a hard on, go watch some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ porn...The game is meant to be more serious in its tone of course it won't have heavy handed fan service

[Clown Reemus]

Originally posted by JCKLNTRN:

Originally posted by Faiyez:

Picking a girl to make your queen could have easily been in the game, but was apparently scrapped.

This is dishonest and manipulative language. In order for something to be "scrapped" it would need to have existed in the first place, and there is no evidence for that.

When the escapist, insecure crowd has no logical, philosophical arguments they resort to manipulation and disinformation. It's a natural phenomenon, I'm not sure that the vast majority of them even realises what they are doing is wrong on many fronts.

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

I still wait for another DDS games, but maybe Metaphor will do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHJbE_kfybs

Rend, slaughter, devour your enemies.
There is no other way to survive, you cannot escape your hunger, warriors of Purgatory.

Make an HD port.

We beg.

[REBirthTheEdge]

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

I still wait for another DDS games, but maybe Metaphor will do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHJbE_kfybs

Rend, slaughter, devour your enemies.
There is no other way to survive, you cannot escape your hunger, warriors of Purgatory.

Make an HD port.

We beg.

It will probably come after Raidou HD ports.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVIlCL-rcAI
The day we feast is close.

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Make an HD port.

We beg.

It will probably come after Raidou HD ports.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVIlCL-rcAI
The day we feast is close.

And if we're lucky.

An SMT4 port (that can come with Apocalypse cause why not), that only needs 1 Screen, and has the map improvements from Apocalypse.

[Faiyez]

Originally posted by JCKLNTRN:

Originally posted by Faiyez:

Picking a girl to make your queen could have easily been in the game, but was apparently scrapped.

This is dishonest and manipulative language. In order for something to be "scrapped" it would need to have existed in the first place, and there is no evidence for that.

Yeah I'm not claiming to have certainty on this matter. This is an inkling I've been having about the game based on observation. Like something here just seems wrong.

I also recognize there are other holes you can poke to ultimately give Metaphor the benefit of the doubt. For example P3 Reload is a recent game from Atlus that, despite being tampered with, still included the female fanservice costumes intact and easily obtainable. You'd think they get rid of them but they didn't and I was almost surprised they were there.

Funny thing is I swear I am not trying to goon. I literally never equip swuimsuit or fanservice outfits. They break the immersion for me. I just want to know that the creative vision is realized without compromises. I just can't stand Japanese game makers being told something is too risqué or need to be changed, which localizers have admitted to doing and even consider it part of their pay grade.