So now that the game is cracked will they remove Denuvo?

[Nu_Naym]

Now there's a cracked version about surely there's no point in keeping the DRM in the game right?

All it means now is paying customers get a worse product than those who get it for free

[lpostini]

Paying customers don't get a worse product. They can still easily get every update and play the game without bugs, which pirates can't do if the game has Denuvo. Pirates would have to crack it every time an update comes out.

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Originally posted by lpostini:

Paying customers don't get a worse product. They can still easily get every update and play the game without bugs, which pirates can't do if the game has Denuvo. Pirates would have to crack it every time an update comes out.

That's not true right now because there's a working multiple bypass for offline activation for basically any game that's being launched from a 3rd party launcher that's not steam abusing the Denuvo 5time's a day activation limit this has been around for a good long time now.
And yes there's a difference from a crack and the bypass the crack is super simple with a copy and paste and the bypass requires the user to do a couple steps which is also super simple but take's more time.

[Pheace]

Originally posted by 1080Puktra:

That's not true right now because there's a working multiple bypass for offline activation for basically any game that's being launched from a 3rd party launcher that's not steam abusing the Denuvo 5time's a day activation limit this has been around for a good long time now.
And yes there's a difference from a crack and the bypass the crack is super simple with a copy and paste and the bypass requires the user to do a couple steps which is also super simple but take's more time.

If the 3rd party thing you'r ementioning is simply for an offline account then it certainly has it's limitations, firstly being offline, usually 'sold', likely on an account with only that game which you'll have to switch to or from (log in/out) if you want to play something else in the meantime. On top of that, it's still the same game, WITH Denuvo. Anyone arguing this is for performance reasons or preservation goes right out the door with that kind of piracy, it's just about saving money then and still getting to play it now.

As for the bypass. That's limited to 1.02 as far as I've read, after that it has Denuvo so the AA patch for instance already isn't available, and probably any further updates/content as well.

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Originally posted by Pheace:

Originally posted by 1080Puktra:

That's not true right now because there's a working multiple bypass for offline activation for basically any game that's being launched from a 3rd party launcher that's not steam abusing the Denuvo 5time's a day activation limit this has been around for a good long time now.
And yes there's a difference from a crack and the bypass the crack is super simple with a copy and paste and the bypass requires the user to do a couple steps which is also super simple but take's more time.

If the 3rd party thing you'r ementioning is simply for an offline account then it certainly has it's limitations, firstly being offline, usually 'sold', likely on an account with only that game which you'll have to switch to or from (log in/out) if you want to play something else in the meantime. On top of that, it's still the same game, WITH Denuvo. Anyone arguing this is for performance reasons or preservation goes right out the door with that kind of piracy, it's just about saving money then.

As for the bypass. That's limited to 1.02 as far as I've read, after that it has Denuvo so the AA patch for instance already isn't available, and probably any further updates/content as well.

No the crack is different than the bypass I'm talking about, I'm not talking about the Demo.exe crack bypass I'm talking about the 3rd party launcher bypass which abuses the Denuvo token system to make a offline activation of the game with the newest updates yes that is a real thing believe it or not.

[lpostini]

Originally posted by 1080Puktra:

Originally posted by lpostini:

Paying customers don't get a worse product. They can still easily get every update and play the game without bugs, which pirates can't do if the game has Denuvo. Pirates would have to crack it every time an update comes out.

That's not true right now because there's a working multiple bypass for offline activation for basically any game that's being launched from a 3rd party launcher that's not steam abusing the Denuvo 5time's a day activation limit this has been around for a good long time now.
And yes there's a difference from a crack and the bypass the crack is super simple with a copy and paste and the bypass requires the user to do a couple steps which is also super simple but take's more time.

denuvo bypasses and cracks are unstable and generally have issues. for example they don't work well on updated windows 11. games must be played from start to finish anyway in this way and if there are any protection triggers they must be removed

[Shodingus]

Originally posted by lpostini:

Paying customers don't get a worse product. They can still easily get every update and play the game without bugs, which pirates can't do if the game has Denuvo. Pirates would have to crack it every time an update comes out.

You keep posting this same exact argument and it's wrong every single time
>muh updates
That's not a valid argument.
If you put the exact same copies next to each other but one has denuvo and one does not, the one without denuvo will perform better.

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Originally posted by lpostini:

Originally posted by 1080Puktra:

That's not true right now because there's a working multiple bypass for offline activation for basically any game that's being launched from a 3rd party launcher that's not steam abusing the Denuvo 5time's a day activation limit this has been around for a good long time now.
And yes there's a difference from a crack and the bypass the crack is super simple with a copy and paste and the bypass requires the user to do a couple steps which is also super simple but take's more time.

denuvo bypasses and cracks are also unstable and generally have issues. for example they don't work well on updated windows 11. games must be played from start to finish anyway and if there are any protection triggers they must be removed

That's not true the bypass I'm talking about downloads the game from the launcher it's self then you use something I won't say to basically get a something I won't say and then you do something I won't say to to do something I won't say so the game thinks you own it until you do a update on the system.
In short it's a double bypass of the launcher and the Denuvo token system the game runs the exact same as the normal game but you simply can't update anything on the computer then if anything updates then you need a new thing I won't say.

I wish I could go into more detail about this stuff because I find it so cool and interesting of how how far these people will go and find and make these bypasses it's really interesting stuff.

Also sorry about all the edits I'm trying not to get banned and I keep feeling like I'm adding to much information.

[Pheace]

Originally posted by 1080Puktra:

Originally posted by Pheace:

If the 3rd party thing you'r ementioning is simply for an offline account then it certainly has it's limitations, firstly being offline, usually 'sold', likely on an account with only that game which you'll have to switch to or from (log in/out) if you want to play something else in the meantime. On top of that, it's still the same game, WITH Denuvo. Anyone arguing this is for performance reasons or preservation goes right out the door with that kind of piracy, it's just about saving money then.

As for the bypass. That's limited to 1.02 as far as I've read, after that it has Denuvo so the AA patch for instance already isn't available, and probably any further updates/content as well.

No the crack is different than the bypass I'm talking about, I'm not talking about the Demo.exe crack bypass I'm talking about the 3rd party launcher bypass which abuses the Denuvo token system to make a offline activation of the game with the newest updates yes that is a real thing believe it or not.

That's what I was talking about with the first thing. But that's hardly convenient, it has several downsides, including no updates, even to your computer as you mentioned. And it's still just, the game with Denuvo. It's the same version, with steps to make sure you can even keep playing it. It's hard to argue that as a 'better version', unless better = cheaper.

[lpostini]

Originally posted by Pheace:

Originally posted by 1080Puktra:

That's not true right now because there's a working multiple bypass for offline activation for basically any game that's being launched from a 3rd party launcher that's not steam abusing the Denuvo 5time's a day activation limit this has been around for a good long time now.
And yes there's a difference from a crack and the bypass the crack is super simple with a copy and paste and the bypass requires the user to do a couple steps which is also super simple but take's more time.

If the 3rd party thing you'r ementioning is simply for an offline account then it certainly has it's limitations, firstly being offline, usually 'sold', likely on an account with only that game which you'll have to switch to or from (log in/out) if you want to play something else in the meantime. On top of that, it's still the same game, WITH Denuvo. Anyone arguing this is for performance reasons or preservation goes right out the door with that kind of piracy, it's just about saving money then and still getting to play it now.

As for the bypass. That's limited to 1.02 as far as I've read, after that it has Denuvo so the AA patch for instance already isn't available, and probably any further updates/content as well.

yes you are right. there is no bypass or crack for patch 1.03 and also for future updates I am sure no one will do anything until the game has Denuvo. pirates are stuck on version 1.02

[Pheace]

Originally posted by 1080Puktra:

> Basically you wait in a que for reason I won't say which usually takes 24hrs to 48hrs after the first week of the game launch.

I doubt there's anything special about the bypass. It's just abusing the offline mode with 5 activations per day. That's why you get put 'in a queue' because the activations for that day have run out and you're waiting for the seller to have new ones come up.

Token doesn't need to get 'frozen' or anything, that's simply how the denuvo token works, it's indefinite unless your hardware or OS or game version updates.

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Originally posted by Pheace:

Originally posted by 1080Puktra:

> Basically you wait in a que for reason I won't say which usually takes 24hrs to 48hrs after the first week of the game launch.

I doubt there's anything special about the bypass. It's just abusing the offline mode with 5 activations per day. That's why you get put 'in a queue' because the activations for that day have run out and you're waiting for the seller to have new ones come up.

Token doesn't need to get 'frozen' or anything, that's simply how the denuvo token words, it's indefinite unless your hardware or OS or game version updates.

Not entirely true on the last part a normal Denuvo token has a set time usually a week or so some at a month before it expires the bypass does something to pause it till a update happens.

[Pheace]

Originally posted by 1080Puktra:

Not entirely true on the last part a normal Denuvo token has a set time usually a week or so some at a month before it expires the bypass does something to pause it till a update happens.

That's not true actually. The Denuvo Discord FAQ as well as several games faqs on Denuvo state it is indefinite. And I'm personally inclined to believe that over random posters stating it stopped working for them, which I have no doubt it did, but they probably did something that caused it (like updating windows)

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Originally posted by lpostini:

Originally posted by Pheace:

If the 3rd party thing you'r ementioning is simply for an offline account then it certainly has it's limitations, firstly being offline, usually 'sold', likely on an account with only that game which you'll have to switch to or from (log in/out) if you want to play something else in the meantime. On top of that, it's still the same game, WITH Denuvo. Anyone arguing this is for performance reasons or preservation goes right out the door with that kind of piracy, it's just about saving money then and still getting to play it now.

As for the bypass. That's limited to 1.02 as far as I've read, after that it has Denuvo so the AA patch for instance already isn't available, and probably any further updates/content as well.

yes you are right. there is no bypass or crack for patch 1.03 and also for future updates I am sure no one will do anything until the game has Denuvo. pirates are stuck on version 1.02

No read again a bypass does in fact stay updated with the game but it's a lot more inconvenient than the demo.exe crack which won't be updated past that.

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Originally posted by Pheace:

Originally posted by 1080Puktra:

Not entirely true on the last part a normal Denuvo token has a set time usually a week or so some at a month before it expires the bypass does something to pause it till a update happens.

That's not true actually. The Denuvo Discord FAQ as well as several games faqs on Denuvo state it is indefinite. And I'm personally inclined to believe that over random posters stating it stopped working for them, which I have no doubt it did, but they probably did something that caused it (like updating windows)

Just Google do Denuvo tokens expire you'l get multiple sources saying yes they do & it's usually a week on average.
Denuvo needs the internet to verify the game every often.

[ZiffyHead]

And that's why DRM is pointless when it comes to pirates, because pirates will always find a way around the system no matter what it takes.

Everything in a computer can be hacked and Windows is made for hacking.

There have always been pirates and there will always be pirates, because there will always be thieves and criminals in the world.

So we should focus on the legal paying customers' experience and forget the thieves.