[Spoiler] That "plot-twist" (after Opera House) - I uninstalled

[Swimfan]

Edit:
I actually re-installed because spending 50 bucks on the game and then not finishing it felt like a waste.

Well ... after finishing the game it still leaves a very sour taste in my mouth. My impression hasn't changed a lot: The entire story collapses the moment after the Opera house. Louis basically transforms into a cartoon villain/story threats that feel really important (the Saint and the Church/M. Academy) just rush by (they did Rella REALLY dirty - what happened to that arc?! It felt rushed AF) and very final battle (last form) aside nothing hooked me (and I mean the fights themselves - the story behind it was something I have seen a million times). Louis became just "unreemably bad" for the sake of it while your party members basically climb over each other to sacrifice themselves without any consequences.

Some credit: They really tried to make the ending "complete" (lots of scenes of what happens after) but by that point I also wasn't invested anymore because what I initially said holds true: If they fake-kill one character (Louis) 2 times, they will do it again and again. The moment your crew "sacrifices themselves" I just laughed because of how meldramatic and senseless that was - and of course they come back fine and dandy with a (let's face it) more than flimsy explanation. I had to fight my way through everyone talking about friendship and love in the end before the final fight.

Overall I think the writing in this game STARTS very strong and stumbles so badly that I almost suspect that they switched writers halfway through.

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Urgh ....

I loved the game's story so much. Louis dead and - of course - he wasn't the one with the curse ... Forden in a better position ... such compelling plot points and then it all just gets thrown out of the window - I'm shocked beyond words right now.

Louis's DeusExMacina bs comeback is the most boring villian revival I have encountered in a long while. Zorban replacing the lance on stage while falsly examinating Louis's body is also just not sound.

Omg I'm actually thinking about quitting - this plot twist killed any tension whatsoever D-: What is wrong with ATLUS? They used to be so good with plot twists! Did they think the story would somehow not work without Louis? ♥♥♥♥, I'm actually angry right now ...

Edit: I actually uninstalled right now, I can't take the plot serious anymore after such lazy writing and I'm not kidding: I'm not interested anymore where the story goes after this. I had that fantastic duel with Louis that was worthy of his build-up and now everything they build up to just evaporated and meant nothing.

[Yuuki]

bye then.

[Klinestife]

ok, cool

[鬱Nova]

Bye, have a beautiful time!

[Nix]

Escrito originalmente por 鬱Nova:

Bye, have a beautiful time!

I understood that reference.

Escrito originalmente por Swimfan:

Urgh ....

I loved the game's story so much. Louis dead and - of course - he wasn't the one with the curse ... Forden in a better position ... such compelling plot points and then it all just gets thrown out of the window - I'm shocked beyond words right now.

Louis's DeusExMacina bs comeback is the most boring villian revival I have encountered in a long while. Zorban replacing the lance on stage while falsly examinating Louis's body is also just not sound.

Omg I'm actually thinking about quitting - this plot twist killed any tension whatsoever D-: What is wrong with ATLUS? They used to be so good with plot twists! Did they think the story would somehow not work without Louis? ♥♥♥♥, I'm actually angry right now ...

Edit: I actually uninstalled right now, I can't take the plot serious anymore after such lazy writing and I'm not kidding: I'm not interested anymore where the story goes after this. I had that fantastic duel with Louis that was worthy of his build-up and now everything they build up to just evaporated and meant nothing.

Louis is still the final villan / antagonist, just not for the reasons the story started with, also I see you blaming Forden, so I'm guessing you didn't get far enough to discover the true caster of the curse. Me personally, I saw the whole "Louis didn't do it, and isn't dead" thing coming a mile away. And I called the true caster of the curse out the first moment I saw them.

Trust me, it's worth finishing the story.

[Broso]

"And I called the true caster of the curse out the first moment I saw them."

I call BS on that claim

[Daftendirekt1997]

Escrito originalmente por Broso:

"And I called the true caster of the curse out the first moment I saw them."

I call BS on that claim

In my part the moment you first met that character there were hints on that conversation that I also connected the dots before the reveal.

[Dagný]

You've been nitpicking since you started playing the game. Hopefully this mean you won't post here again.

[V-Rabb [StD]]

I also thought it was a stupid twist.

How are you going to replace the lance in plain view of the church AND the player's party?

I'm with OP, it sucked all the tension that was building up for me.

[N/A]

Escrito originalmente por V-Rabb StD:

I also thought it was a stupid twist.

How are you going to replace the lance in plain view of the church AND the player's party?

I'm with OP, it sucked all the tension that was building up for me.

Pretty sure the spear he walks up on you with is the fake and that Zorbadorp is holding onto the real one so they never have to retrieve it. If Not then yeah that's dumb as hell.

[Klinestife]

Escrito originalmente por N/A:

Escrito originalmente por V-Rabb StD:

I also thought it was a stupid twist.

How are you going to replace the lance in plain view of the church AND the player's party?

I'm with OP, it sucked all the tension that was building up for me.

Pretty sure the spear he walks up on you with is the fake and that Zorbadorp is holding onto the real one so they never have to retrieve it. If Not then yeah that's dumb as hell.

it was the real one. that’s why eupha could summon it in the cutscene after the boss fight.

but most in the thread are forgetting how the spear was found by the church. it fell off by the wayside. everybody is staring at louis’s body. the party isn’t even on stage yet. gideaux walks up while forden is busy being confused and says “this lance was found offstage. it must have been the murder weapon.”

it was swapped before this point while everybody was distracted by louis’s body. zorba was probably the one to bring it to gideaux if anything. it was not swapped on stage in front of everybody. the party only makes it on stage after forden is already holding it in his hands.

as for the whole louis living thing, zorba wields necromantic magic that has no defined rules so it can effectively do whatever the writer wants. that’s how pretty much all of the plot related magic works in this game.

[Unforgiven]

i am 100% sure you didn't call out the real curse caster and you still don't know who it was.

[HarkeN]

I will admit I was pretty disappointed by the exact same moment, but not nearly enough not to continue playing.

At the same time, it would have been too anticlimactic for Louis to have just died and stayed dead when we still know so little about him. But it could certainly have been handled better. I also think we don't know enough about Forden either.

Maybe it'll be expanded on more as we approach the endgame. I'll just have to find out.

[Nix]

Escrito originalmente por Broso:

"And I called the true caster of the curse out the first moment I saw them."

I call BS on that claim

Escrito originalmente por Unforgiven:

i am 100% sure you didn't call out the real curse caster and you still don't know who it was.

It was ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Rella. And yes, I did call it. I didn't trust her from the beginning and given the the whole "this is an incomplete formula" I'm not sure how any of you didn't see it coming.

They sure tried to headfake me with the entire arc with her sister, Junah but failed.

[Fine And Dandy]

The deus ex machina. The deus ex machina? Louis's right hand man is a NECROMANCER. Use your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ brain.

[Swimfan]

Escrito originalmente por Fine and Dandy:

The deus ex machina. The deus ex machina? Louis's right hand man is a NECROMANCER. Use your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ brain.

A necromancer I killed during the Prologue tho.
And yes, "coming back" is an okay concept but when you pull this 3 times (Necro 1 times/ Louis fake-dead 2 times) that's just stupid writing in my book.