Gunner feels like the worst lineage in the game

[TheHeeHomie]

This class line in general feels so lackluster; the damage it deals never feels worth it, you don't get that many good passives from them, and Dragoon just doesn't work at all by the time you have access to it. What was Atlus thinking here?

[REhorror]

Originally posted by jeldren:

Originally posted by REhorror:

I haven't been playing Gunner much because the real time attacks of Gunner sucks.

They are ranged and heal the party. A must have if you don't want to waste MP / items to heal. Gunner / Mage / Thief are most usefull in real time combat.

Wait, Gunner can use the crossbow to attack in range?

I tried and my guy just wacks it slow with the crossbow in melee.

[Kirbybasu]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by jeldren:

They are ranged and heal the party. A must have if you don't want to waste MP / items to heal. Gunner / Mage / Thief are most usefull in real time combat.

Wait, Gunner can use the crossbow to attack in range?

I tried and my guy just wacks it slow with the crossbow in melee.

If you are too close you melee.

Also dragoon is really strong and is probably better than royal thief for heismay. It has raid wide elemental coverage without needing to use a synth skill. its synth skills are also very strong.

[AkaRai]

In general I've favored Assassin and now Ninja for Heismay, but there were a few dungeons he was absolutely cleaning up as Sniper. There's one where everything's weak to Pierce and that multi-hit skill that targets all enemies was invaluable.

[L0KisT3r]

I use gunner to create physical weakness and then let Strohl's Samurai to 1 hit KO everything, even humans on Hard.

No idea about late game but I'm on my way to THE island.

My party is build around physical weakness, defensive debuff, and atk buff for Strohl. Took only 2 turns to erase all the bosses.

[rgoodness]

Am I playing a different game? Protag has been maining Sniper for like the past 25 hours just because of how fantastic the out-of-squad-battle attacks are...

[REhorror]

Originally posted by rgoodness:

Am I playing a different game? Protag has been maining Sniper for like the past 25 hours just because of how fantastic the out-of-squad-battle attacks are...

Glad to see people are finding out different playstyle.

[kyotod]

If you like range field attacks, the swindler (not sure how hes called in english, its the archetype from the blue haired guy) is a nice option too. Actually my favorit in that regard.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by kyotod:

If you like range field attacks, the swindler (not sure how hes called in english, its the archetype from the blue haired guy) is a nice option too. Actually my favorit in that regard.

It's called the Faker in English, which is kinda weird, Swindler is a better way to say it or a Highwayman.

But yeah, it's absolutely awesome for field combat, I find the protag being the Faker in turn-based is kinda underwhelming though.

[hewittlemming]

Originally posted by Kirbybasu:

Also dragoon is really strong and is probably better than royal thief for heismay.

Disagree tbqh. Dragoon doesn't have Third Eye, Haste Role, and Noble Thief Soul; so you gotta cover those with inherited skills and accessory, meaning less slots for other things.

[Syynx]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by kyotod:

If you like range field attacks, the swindler (not sure how hes called in english, its the archetype from the blue haired guy) is a nice option too. Actually my favorit in that regard.

It's called the Faker in English, which is kinda weird, Swindler is a better way to say it or a Highwayman.

But yeah, it's absolutely awesome for field combat, I find the protag being the Faker in turn-based is kinda underwhelming though.

Even 'Rogue' fits better. 'Faker' is just weird

[Watermill]

mid game if you run burst warrior setup the synthesis that adds a weakness to phys is utterly broken for one shotting. it falls off near end game because you get access to persona master warlord etc.

[Dregora]

Originally posted by Kirbybasu:

Originally posted by REhorror:

Wait, Gunner can use the crossbow to attack in range?

I tried and my guy just wacks it slow with the crossbow in melee.

If you are too close you melee.

Also dragoon is really strong and is probably better than royal thief for heismay. It has raid wide elemental coverage without needing to use a synth skill. its synth skills are also very strong.

Lol what? Heismay is ridiculously OP with his constant dodge into breaking turns once he dodges.

[OuitheFrog]

Honestly its very interesting! I have found the opposite to be true in my run, gunner has been a staple in my party. I have really been abusing the synthesis that either ignores resistances or the one that creates a one time weakness to slash/pierce/smash. I understand the linage can be very hyper focused on pierce damage. But there are a lot of birds/cyclopes that need slaying.

[dethtrain]

Originally posted by keep.it.professional:

Originally posted by REhorror:

I haven't been playing Gunner much because the real time attacks of Gunner sucks.

Honestly I have just stood to the "canon" class so far, except Hulkie to Brawler. It just werks.

I use Gunner all the time for the real time attacks. You can snipe from a distance and there's no risk of ambush.

Use the faker. Faster animation and they actually have a passive that let's you dodge overworld attacks

[Dregora]

Originally posted by OuitheFrog:

Honestly its very interesting! I have found the opposite to be true in my run, gunner has been a staple in my party. I have really been abusing the synthesis that either ignores resistances or the one that creates a one time weakness to slash/pierce/smash. I understand the linage can be very hyper focused on pierce damage. But there are a lot of birds/cyclopes that need slaying.

A lot of archetypes can do that though, gunner isn't something special. It does it all worse.