Graphics Improvements, or Lack Thereof.

[Cosmic Wanderer]

It's good that raytracing is being introduced, but it's not enough. For too long FIFA/FC has lagged behind when it comes to graphics, especially on PC.

Where is the DLSS/FSR support? Where is framegen support? We finally get dynamic time of day in FC 25, but where is dynamic weather? Frostbite supports all of these features, so why are they not in FC 25?

[Kobi Blade]

Did you just assume the game is supporting RT on PC?

Cause looking at the system requirements for FC 25, they exactly the same as FC 24, meaning PC players are being ♥♥♥♥♥♥ again.

[Mihai_89]

Originally posted by Kobi Blade:

Did you just assume the game is supporting RT on PC?

Cause looking at the system requirements for FC 25, they exactly the same as FC 24, meaning PC players are being ♥♥♥♥♥♥ again.

They're not - FIFA was never a demanding series to begin with even when they changed engines from FIFA 16 to FIFA 17.

FIFA 17 was the first game to run on Frostbite Engine and the series has been on that engine ever since - while the engine itself has had issues with optimization in the past, it is capable of offering some amazing graphics, look at DEAD SPACE remake or SW BATTLEFRONT 2 from 2017.

It honestly makes sense they're not high requirements and like seriously - who complains about a game having low requirements ?

Like at least it won't have issues running even on older PC configurations.

[Kobi Blade]

Originally posted by Mihai_89:

Originally posted by Kobi Blade:

Did you just assume the game is supporting RT on PC?

Cause looking at the system requirements for FC 25, they exactly the same as FC 24, meaning PC players are being ♥♥♥♥♥♥ again.

They're not - FIFA was never a demanding series to begin with even when they changed engines from FIFA 16 to FIFA 17.

FIFA 17 was the first game to run on Frostbite Engine and the series has been on that engine ever since - while the engine itself has had issues with optimization in the past, it is capable of offering some amazing graphics, look at DEAD SPACE remake or SW BATTLEFRONT 2 from 2017.

It honestly makes sense they're not high requirements and like seriously - who complains about a game having low requirements ?

Like at least it won't have issues running even on older PC configurations.

Is clear you don't know what is being discussed here, go educate yourself on what RT means and come back.

[Mihai_89]

Originally posted by Kobi Blade:

Originally posted by Mihai_89:

They're not - FIFA was never a demanding series to begin with even when they changed engines from FIFA 16 to FIFA 17.

FIFA 17 was the first game to run on Frostbite Engine and the series has been on that engine ever since - while the engine itself has had issues with optimization in the past, it is capable of offering some amazing graphics, look at DEAD SPACE remake or SW BATTLEFRONT 2 from 2017.

It honestly makes sense they're not high requirements and like seriously - who complains about a game having low requirements ?

Like at least it won't have issues running even on older PC configurations.

Is clear you don't know what is being discussed here, go educate yourself on what RT means and come back.

It's clear you have no actual idea that RT can be disabled in pretty much EVERY GAME because it's a FEATURE and can be TOGGLED in the menus.

Do you understand, maybe it's too much ?

Go educate yourself or shut the hell up next time.

[Kobi Blade]

Originally posted by Mihai_89:

Originally posted by Kobi Blade:

Is clear you don't know what is being discussed here, go educate yourself on what RT means and come back.

It's clear you have no actual idea that RT can be disabled in pretty much EVERY GAME because it's a FEATURE and can be TOGGLED in the menus.

Do you understand, maybe it's too much ?

Go educate yourself or shut the hell up next time.

Your lack of arguments is noted, if FC 25 had RT on PC, EA would have to add RT hardware on recommended System Requirements.

And for the record, there are implementations of RT that cannot be directly disabled cause it's tied to other systems.

Again, go educate yourself before speaking to me, or better yet, don't speak at all until you are +18y /blocked

[Toonen1988]

Originally posted by Kobi Blade:

Originally posted by Mihai_89:

It's clear you have no actual idea that RT can be disabled in pretty much EVERY GAME because it's a FEATURE and can be TOGGLED in the menus.

Do you understand, maybe it's too much ?

Go educate yourself or shut the hell up next time.

Your lack of arguments is noted, if FC 25 had RT on PC, EA would have to add RT hardware on recommended System Requirements.

And for the record, there are implementations of RT that cannot be directly disabled cause it's tied to other systems.

Again, go educate yourself before speaking to me, or better yet, don't speak at all until you are +18y /blocked

What the hell are you talking about? That guy is right, in many games you can turn on and off ray tracing. You absolutely don't make any sense.

You are also the guy who claims that path tracing is just a "pumped up value" version of ray tracing and now I see this sh*t in this topic. First you say it's nonsense that Ray Tracing uses a single ray per pixel and path tracing multiple rays per pixel and now I see this nonsense.

You are so naive and when someone doesn't agree with you, you start to attack them personally and even say /blocked, just what you did to me. You can't even back up your claims with sources.

Also to proof that you are full of sh*t, check the system requirments of Elden Ring, Diablo 4, Cyberpunk 2077, The Witcher, Forza Horizon 5 and many other games that offers ray tracing (Cyberpunk 2077 even path tracing) and all of them do have unsupported ray tracing hardware in the mimimum requirements. How can you explain this? So, you are just full of sh*t. Even Alan Wake 2 does have a GTX 1070 in the minimum requirments.......

All the games offers a option to turn it on and off. In matter of fact, you can't turn on ray tracing in games if your hardware doesn't support it. So, you just continue playing on rasterization lighting. It's a optional option, how else can you explain that all ray tracing games does have GTX 1060 and GTX 1070 in the minimum requirments and the GTX serie's doesn't support Ray Tracing nor Path Tracing. Your full of sh*t.

Even if the hardware is underneath minimum or recommended list, it doesn't say anything about ray tracing. If a GTX 1660 can run FC 25 in +60 fps at 1080p with rasterization lighting on higher settings, then that's more enough to put the GTX 1660 in the recommended list.

So, in short, they don't need to put Ray Tracing harware in the minimum nor the recommended list if the game supports ray tracing. It's a optional option in games. They could add a extra line in the requirments, like Optional Ray Tracing: Minimum RTX serie's or AMD equivalent GPU's.

Like I said, if a GTX 1660 can run FC 25 on high settings with a stable FPS of 60 in 1080p with rasterization lighting, then that's the start of the recommended hardware.

[Kobi Blade]

Originally posted by Toonen1988:

Your lack of knowledge in RT and understanding of English is duly noted.

Is clear to me you never heard of Software RT, and even clearer that you never touched Unreal Engine 5.

My point remains, while you delve in off topic nonsense and basic stuff everyone knows, proving you don't know what you talking about.

There a reason I also didn't mention minimum requirements once, the rest if just nonsense in which you not even aware of how games are using RT nowadays.

Lords of the Fallen is a nice example, and I already said too much, cause I not interested in educating ignorant people, you free to keep following me and trying to flame, next comment will just get a report from me instead of a reply.

[Mihai_89]

Originally posted by Toonen1988:

Originally posted by Kobi Blade:

Your lack of arguments is noted, if FC 25 had RT on PC, EA would have to add RT hardware on recommended System Requirements.

And for the record, there are implementations of RT that cannot be directly disabled cause it's tied to other systems.

Again, go educate yourself before speaking to me, or better yet, don't speak at all until you are +18y /blocked

What the hell are you talking about? That guy is right, in many games you can turn on and off ray tracing. You absolutely don't make any sense.

You are also the guy who claims that path tracing is just a "pumped up value" version of ray tracing and now I see this sh*t in this topic. First you say it's nonsense that Ray Tracing uses a single ray per pixel and path tracing multiple rays per pixel and now I see this nonsense.

You are so naive and when someone doesn't agree with you, you start to attack them personally and even say /blocked, just what you did to me. You can't even back up your claims with sources.

Also to proof that you are full of sh*t, check the system requirments of Elden Ring, Diablo 4, Cyberpunk 2077, The Witcher, Forza Horizon 5 and many other games that offers ray tracing (Cyberpunk 2077 even path tracing) and all of them do have unsupported ray tracing hardware in the mimimum requirements. How can you explain this? So, you are just full of sh*t. Even Alan Wake 2 does have a GTX 1070 in the minimum requirments.......

All the games offers a option to turn it on and off. In matter of fact, you can't turn on ray tracing in games if your hardware doesn't support it. So, you just continue playing on rasterization lighting. It's a optional option, how else can you explain that all ray tracing games does have GTX 1060 and GTX 1070 in the minimum requirments and the GTX serie's doesn't support Ray Tracing nor Path Tracing. Your full of sh*t.

Even if the hardware is underneath minimum or recommended list, it doesn't say anything about ray tracing. If a GTX 1660 can run FC 25 in +60 fps at 1080p with rasterization lighting on higher settings, then that's more enough to put the GTX 1660 in the recommended list.

So, in short, they don't need to put Ray Tracing harware in the minimum nor the recommended list if the game supports ray tracing. It's a optional option in games. They could add a extra line in the requirments, like Optional Ray Tracing: Minimum RTX serie's or AMD equivalent GPU's.

Like I said, if a GTX 1660 can run FC 25 on high settings with a stable FPS of 60 in 1080p with rasterization lighting, then that's the start of the recommended hardware.

Don't bother trying to argue with fools - as obi-wan says "who's more foolish : the fool or the fool who follows him ?"

He's just some dude (although at this point im starting to wonder if he's more than 18) who thinks he knows hardware when the sad reality is very different - pathetic if you think about it.

Also you're correct - i had a GTX 1660 SUPER before i got my current RTX 4060 and often times the system requirements don't really point out which settings it's for.

It's entirely possible that FC 25 doesn't have them listed even if the game supports RT - the 1660 super is basically the same card as the 2060 so they wouldn't really need to + FIFA was never a demanding series to begin with RT or not.

[Kobi Blade]

Originally posted by Mihai_89:

Don't bother trying to argue with fools - as obi-wan says "who's more foolish : the fool or the fool who follows him ?"

He's just some dude (although at this point im starting to wonder if he's more than 18) who thinks he knows hardware when the sad reality is very different - pathetic if you think about it.

Also you're correct - i had a GTX 1660 SUPER before i got my current RTX 4060 and often times the system requirements don't really point out which settings it's for.

It's entirely possible that FC 25 doesn't have them listed even if the game supports RT - the 1660 super is basically the same card as the 2060 so they wouldn't really need to + FIFA was never a demanding series to begin with RT or not.

Petty insults won't get you far, even the RX 6500 XT blows the GTX 1660 SUPER out of the water in RT performance.

That old card is not running RT anytime soon, outside of Software RT, which I not even sure if it's a feature of Frostbite, cause unlike Unreal Engine, is not available to developers outside EA.

Fact remains if EA was supporting RT on FC 25 PC build, it would list RT as feature and in the System Requirements.

Claiming FC 25 with RT will run the same as FC 24 without RT, shows the extend of both of you knowledge.

[Toonen1988]

Originally posted by Kobi Blade:

Originally posted by Mihai_89:

Don't bother trying to argue with fools - as obi-wan says "who's more foolish : the fool or the fool who follows him ?"

He's just some dude (although at this point im starting to wonder if he's more than 18) who thinks he knows hardware when the sad reality is very different - pathetic if you think about it.

Also you're correct - i had a GTX 1660 SUPER before i got my current RTX 4060 and often times the system requirements don't really point out which settings it's for.

It's entirely possible that FC 25 doesn't have them listed even if the game supports RT - the 1660 super is basically the same card as the 2060 so they wouldn't really need to + FIFA was never a demanding series to begin with RT or not.

Petty insults won't get you far, even the RX 6500 XT blows the GTX 1660 SUPER out of the water in RT performance.

That old card is not running RT anytime soon, outside of Software RT, which I not even sure if it's a feature of Frostbite, cause unlike Unreal Engine, is not available to developers outside EA.

Fact remains if EA was supporting RT on FC 25 PC build, it would list RT as feature and in the System Requirements.

Claiming FC 25 with RT will run the same as FC 24 without RT, shows the extend of both of you knowledge.

First you say "RX 6500 XT blows the GTX 1660 Super out of the water in RT performance" and then you say "The old car is not running RT anytime soon". You contradicts yourself very quickly. But anyway.

Nobody said anything about the RX 6500 XT, in matter of fact, nobody even claimed that RC 25 with RT will run the same as FC 24 without RT. Nobody said anything about it, the game is not even out yet. So how in the ♥♥♥♥ can we say anything about the performance.

You are now even making up stuff people haven't said.

[Mihai_89]

Originally posted by Toonen1988:

Originally posted by Kobi Blade:

Petty insults won't get you far, even the RX 6500 XT blows the GTX 1660 SUPER out of the water in RT performance.

That old card is not running RT anytime soon, outside of Software RT, which I not even sure if it's a feature of Frostbite, cause unlike Unreal Engine, is not available to developers outside EA.

Fact remains if EA was supporting RT on FC 25 PC build, it would list RT as feature and in the System Requirements.

Claiming FC 25 with RT will run the same as FC 24 without RT, shows the extend of both of you knowledge.

First you say "RX 6500 XT blows the GTX 1660 Super out of the water in RT performance" and then you say "The old car is not running RT anytime soon". You contradicts yourself very quickly. But anyway.

Nobody said anything about the RX 6500 XT, in matter of fact, nobody even claimed that RC 25 with RT will run the same as FC 24 without RT. Nobody said anything about it, the game is not even out yet. So how in the ♥♥♥♥ can we say anything about the performance.

You are now even making up stuff people haven't said.

You literally beat me to it - to the reply i mean. LOL

I was literally about to say he's contradicting himself - i really don't think he knows what the hell he's actually talking about. LMAO

At this point i'm actually hoping he continues replying back - if for nothing else but actually makes for some good entertainment, better than some of the EURO 2024 matches that's for sure. LMAO

[Kobi Blade]

Originally posted by Mihai_89:

Originally posted by Toonen1988:

First you say "RX 6500 XT blows the GTX 1660 Super out of the water in RT performance" and then you say "The old car is not running RT anytime soon". You contradicts yourself very quickly. But anyway.

Nobody said anything about the RX 6500 XT, in matter of fact, nobody even claimed that RC 25 with RT will run the same as FC 24 without RT. Nobody said anything about it, the game is not even out yet. So how in the ♥♥♥♥ can we say anything about the performance.

You are now even making up stuff people haven't said.

You literally beat me to it - to the reply i mean. LOL

I was literally about to say he's contradicting himself - i really don't think he knows what the hell he's actually talking about. LMAO

At this point i'm actually hoping he continues replying back - if for nothing else but actually makes for some good entertainment, better than some of the EURO 2024 matches that's for sure. LMAO

Like I said if you can't understand English I can't help you, is quite clear to anyone who has at least the 3rd grade, that when I said the "old card" I was addressing the GTX 1660 SUPER that you brought up.

As for claims of FC 25 with RT running the same as FC 24 without RT, those words also came from you, but is nice to be ignorant.

There a reason you both keep focusing on off topic nonsense, is pretty much cause you both lack arguments and knowledge to refute any of my claims, so instead you both throw petty insults and try to nitpick and focus on other topics.

Feel free to keep embarrassing yourselves.

[Mihai_89]

Originally posted by Kobi Blade:

Originally posted by Mihai_89:

You literally beat me to it - to the reply i mean. LOL

I was literally about to say he's contradicting himself - i really don't think he knows what the hell he's actually talking about. LMAO

At this point i'm actually hoping he continues replying back - if for nothing else but actually makes for some good entertainment, better than some of the EURO 2024 matches that's for sure. LMAO

Like I said if you can't understand English I can't help you, is quite clear to anyone who has at least the 3rd grade, that when I said the "old card" I was addressing the GTX 1660 SUPER that you brought up.

As for claims of FC 25 with RT running the same as FC 24 without RT, those words also came from you, but is nice to be ignorant.

There a reason you both keep focusing on off topic nonsense, is pretty much cause you both lack arguments and knowledge to refute any of my claims, so instead you both throw petty insults and try to nitpick and focus on other topics.

Feel free to keep embarrassing yourselves.

Keep it up genius, by all means, keep it up - i got my popcorn ready.

This is actually fun entertainment, but mostly because you've somehow managed to reach way lower levels of patheticism - i had my doubts wether or not it was even possible but you didn't dissapoint.

Congrats - LMAO

[Cosmic Wanderer]

Thank you guys for absolutely derailing this topic down to cheap insults and egocore behavior.