AOM Major/minor god lineup changes possible?

[Nox]

Hello everyone, Im new to starting discussions on Steam so bear with me if this seems like a weirdly constructed start for a forum discussion. I also had alot of suggestions and ideas that I can't seem to post due to "error creating new topc: 2" wich is really starting to get on my nerves.

As the title suggests this is about the lineup of the Major and Minor Gods, about wich I have two questions.

The first being is there a way to modify or change the options for choosing a minor god when advancing to the next age? because when you take a real look at the Major deity's description of what it is they specialize in or offer the player as a bonus during play some things just seem completely crosswired. maybe as a mod or something or for offline single play?

And secondly I would like to post my suggestions about how the gameplay of each Major God could maybe be improved by adding a few changes to them, is that oke?

Thanks.

[WarriorMario]

It is possible. There are some limitation however. There cannot be more than 12 major gods and the minor god selection can only have two options as far as I know. Oh and the mod manager does not allow such mods yet.

[Nox]

Alright then, thank you for your answer. do you think we might see something of a change being made to the minor gods then? as in the order of choice and to wich Major god they belong? because some options dont seem to fit the theme or playstyle of certain Major gods.

[Azarath]

Which ones for example? There are some Minor-Godlines which look like they're supposed not to cross each other. Like if you get Skadi you cant have Hel because you would've two updates for your Frost Giants. Or if you go Isis you cant go Sekhmet, because you would have two population updates available. Also Zeus and Aphrodite, because you would've two Favor-Generate-Speedups and Ra and Anubis, because Ra can empower monuments with priests and doesnt need the Necropolis.
On the other hand there are lines which allow you to focus on specific human units. Hades can go Ares-Apollo-Artemis and get all Updates for Toxotes, which he already supports. Poseidon can go Hermes-Dionysos, to get all updates for Cavalry, which he already supports. Thor can go Forseti-Bragi-Tyr to get all Ulfsark-Upgrades and support that with his armory. Well, with Ulfsarks it's a bit like with Pharaos, everyone is special (Ra has stronger empowerment, Set can get Animals). Set can have the Ptah-Sekhmet-Slingerline.

I think I'm pretty used to the actual Minorgod-Setup and kind of like most of it.

[WarriorMario]

If the mod manager allows data mods then you'll probably see some mods that change minor gods but the devs will not change the minor gods as that would change the game too much.

[Azarath]

Also this community is kind of too small now to allow data mods, since all of these people wouldnt be part of the onlineplayers anymore.. so it's kind of good that it isnt allowed yet...

[TraceofHatred]

It's a neat idea but unless you were to bring new factions or gods to the table, I really don't think it's a good idea to mess with it. Most of the paths are the way they are to prevent crosses, doubles, or nonsensical power up pair ups. Wildcat pretty much covered it with their first comment.

[Seti]

i like your idea (i concern more about the game not being myth based though.)

it comes extremely weird when Loki can team up with Heimdall; Kronos' followers can worship traitor Prometheus; Set's followers can worship Horus (although historically some pharaohs worshiped both Set & Horus but thats too complicating and its ironic that Isis can't)

for the bonus, i have no clue why Ra favors cavalry, why Hades favors archers (his pitchfork is more like an infantry weapon) and why Zeus favors infantry (his lightning bolt is used like Peltast so he shd favor archers instead?)

the god powers are not too related to the worshipped gods as well... but if i give out all my idea of changing i'll end up writing an essay

[Azarath]

Well, speaking of Set-Horus.. we have 3 mythic age gods which would be Osiris, Toth and Horus. So if Set shouldnt get Horus, do you really think Osiris would be more appropriate?

Also it's kind of good not haveing Valkyries with Loki I believe.

[Nox]

Im glad people are bringing their opinion to this topic, It's alot like you said. some things don't quite fit together, some gods do get minor gods that support them but others dont and i think that might be the sole reason that some gods are better to play then others. I think the ones that might need some improvement are:

Gaia,(needs more offense to protect the growing economy)
Odin, (slight change to benefit ulfsarks)
Kronos, (myth units buffed by Hekate)
Ra (Pharaoh support from Nephthys with midgol stronghold support from Thoth)
Thor (more ways to counter Loki's Myth units? generally his upgrades are more focused on defense.)
Also Leto (Titan Minor god) offers nothing to any Atlantean player. just Automatons and upgrades for that unit itself, all other classical age minor gods actually give bonuses to human units or building times but Leto is completely worthless.

Let me know what you think, I know it can't be done right now but maybe this is something for future modding if the creators/community allow it.

[Nox]

Loki wouldn't need Freyja, she doesn't bring anything usefull to that playing style, Njord gives Loki players mountain giants one age early but if you choose hel in mythic she'l give you all three giants anyway.
Skadi however would benefit frost giants when going to Mythic age.

Set would benefit from having Hathor and then Nephthys for Mythic age, removing Osiris and Horus.

his current line-up is:

1st: Ptah/Anubis
2nd Sekhmet/Nephthys
3rd Thoth/Horus

suggestion is :

1st: Ptah/Bast
2nd Sekhmet/Hathor
3rd Thoth/Nephthys

[Nox]

Valkyries would indeed be to much if he had them though.

[Nox]

Loki's current lineup looks like:

1st: Heimdall/Forseti
2nd: Njord/Bragi
3rd: Tyr/Hel

Suggestion:
1st: Heimdall/Forseti
2nd: Bragi/Skadi
3rd Tyr/Hel

[Seti]

Re: Echo

u are right, but my full idea will make more sense.

for Set-Horus,

option 1: relegrate one of them (Horus / Osiris) to Classical or Heroic age god, re-adjust the god powers & bonus & myth-unit stats. (e.g. swap with Bast or anyone or introduce Sobek)

option 2: swap Ra with Horus.
Ra isn't the main character in the conflict against Set (while aom's theme mainly focus on that), in fact in some stories Ra favoured Set in that conflict (coz Set was Ra's protector against Apep), so it'll make sense that Set can team up with Ra. Make Avengers into Griffins (avengers don't exist in real myth anyway)

option 3: Most Pharaohs (include Seti) worship Horus anyway so every Egyptian hv a choice to worship Horus (this option is just making Isis happy to unite with her son)
Ra: Thoth / Horus
Isis: Osiris / Horus
Set: Thoth / Horus
(phoniex is related to Ra too, would be good if Ra can have them)


so i guess swapping around (option 1) may apply to Loki's problem as well, but i only know the brief story of Norse myth so i can't comment too much on it.
its much easier to sort out the egyptian problem coz there are many neutral gods who don't hate Set.

[Nox]

The ideas are good. but its best to stick with asking if we can change things that are actually already in the game itself, doing all kinds of things like swapping major gods or introducing new minor ones would really more be something that an expansion or entire modding project would have to tackle, not something done lightly. most of the things that i mention about the gods being reworked only involves fixing or upgrading the playstyle of the before mention gods, they all lack something to be on par with the ones that do have all the right tools to work with and its just sad.

About Horus though, I do not consider myself to be an expert in Egyptian Mythology but im pretty sure Ra's Worship far exceeded that of Horus. Ra was the sun god after all and was considered a major deity of high importance.

(I imagine people must have prayed a lot to him in times of droughts to make them stop so crops could grow and because of lack of water....hence the rain abillity maybe?

Horus is mostly know as "the god of Vengeance/Retribution"
compared to a sun god that's not much to consider him a major player in AOM.
im not sure Griffins existed in egyptian mythology though.

[Nox]

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