How to counter Chinese

[NarKofer]

Dear community, while some balancing it's done to the Chinese I thought it would be a nice idea for people to share their ideas to counter/fight Chinese players.

Personally I don't have a strategy, I just try to mass produce units to fight them. I still find Vermilion birds too difficult to beat, If I am greek I try to use many archers (though many die), archer hero and catapults. Fire lances in groups more than 8 become really difficult to beat, how is that they are only 2 population?

[Prosecutor Lurker]

After watching lot of streams and doing my own experiments. I think the optimal way to counter the following Chinese Gods are these:
Nu Wa, Isis myth rush
Fu Xi, Odin Turtling and maintaining classical - hero map control
Shennong, Zeus Tech or Hades heavy archer.

If you have better solutions post them here, these are just from doing my own research when looking other people.

[leg]

Chinese are quite fragile and the gardens supplement their economy. If you treat them like any other civ then you will win. I haven't had a problem actually beating a chinese player, even if they have annoying OP things like the cheap lizards that can swim through water, or the stronger godpowers, etc.. They have strong units to mass, but they really seem underpowered to me other than a few strategies (like the 100 food lizards, or rushing with lots of units and stronger godpowers).

[Pascal]

As Greek just resign. Chinese economy is as good as Greek and they can spam units like crazy. This gets game to 3v3 TC at worst. Once Chinese gets heroic they have cav archers and cataphracts which when mixed with the right units is very hard for Greek to counter. Chinese goes mythic and uses one of its gp to push through. Inferno followed by uproot will level a base.