SNOWBREAK
Female Adjuntant (edited for clarity)
EDIT: By now I was made to see why this idea is plain wrong, and now I don't vouch for it. I'm leaving this here, with the original post below as a cautionary tale so others don't repeat it, and this change in the text added so those who'd read only the original post will know that I don't support this idea anymore.

As for the threat I got, it was sent to my old personal email, so it must have been someone who knew me from long ago and happened to see this thread. I still don't know who this person is, but I'm sure it's none of the current posters here, who wouldn't know my email address at all. My mistake was to fire off here without thinking due to being startled. First time I ever got a message like that...

So, my heartfelt apology to everyone for causing drama, and sorry to those who got offended by it.

Original post below:

Well, I'll say something that may seem very bad to some. I want my adjuntant to be a female. One of the reasons is that the current dude gives me the creeps, and not because I'm in love with any pixel waifu (I personally wouldn't mind if some of those girls had a significant other to be with). It's just that the current adjuntant looks too creepy running around the base with the ability to poof right at the door of a room or next to one of those girls. Sure, story presents him as a very caring and respectful guy, but from what I've seen of the story, no part of it would change if we had a choice of male or female.

Or if that's not possible, maybe then give the ability for him to wear something that doesn't make him look like a total stalker... unless that's an option already available and I haven't found it?
Dernière modification de Null_User; 31 mai 2024 à 9h39
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Death Threat??? Where??? Aren't u need to add friend to send DM?? Is this a bait???:wtf_emily:
For anyone still reading into this - excluding the option for a female MC is, like dropping all male logistic characters, made to drive certain groups of 'players' away from the game. Namely, the Yuri(lesbian)-ships and NTR-fans. While most of these fanbases can keep to themselves, an extremely loud minority has ruined game after game, community after community (at least in China).
A normal Yuri-ship would just appreciate girl-girl interaction, but other 'Yuri-ships' will start off like the player who posted this discussion, asking for the option for a female MC. Then, they will start attacking the male MC, like the player who posted this discussion, calling him a sex offender and other pejorative terms for men. Then, they will harass other players who prefer boy-girl interactions, to the point of forcing them to quit the game. Finally, since most players are driven away from the game, the devs lose most of their revenue, and the game is ruined. If you think I made this up, Azur lane barely survived this, Road to nowhere has just recently succumbed to this, and countless minor titles just die in obscurity. It is similar with the NTR-fans, they will harass other players and force them to quit, as proven by history.
I will call it as it is, an infection. An infection of the game, of its community. There are games made specifically for Yuri-ships, i.e. Back to the future 1999, and this game is made for straight males. Advocating for Yuri in this game is like asking for pineapple on your pizza in an authentic Italian restaurant. The player who posted this sounded reasonable and sane, but it is too high a risk to take their 'advice'. You don't just show up to a fort after taking bath salts in a zombie apocalypse, and expect not to get shot.
renanqi001 a écrit :
the Yuri(lesbian)
Yuri and lesbian are not the same.
The Yuri genre was, and is still, made of girls/girls relationship in general, not only romantic one but platonic one too. Most Yuri either dont have romance or dont show anything more than hand holding because this entire genre was made out of "pure" and "cute" relationship. It was made for people who were fade up of overly superficial story where everything boild down to physical attraction.

I know today some westerner try super hard to destroy this genre, we see it easily as more and more super bad story made only for the fanservice and soft pron, but people if you dont follow their political idea dont use their wording.

Yuri was never about fighting for any poltical viewpoint, and it's the reason why it never was considered as weird.

This is it for my rant.

PS : The majority of Yuri enjoyer are men. And it is, funnily, for the opposed reason as to why Yaoi is mainly enjoyed by women.
PPS : The name and symbol of Yuri come from the white lily, a flower symbol of purity.
Kaezeribato a écrit :
renanqi001 a écrit :
the Yuri(lesbian)
Yuri and lesbian are not the same.
The Yuri genre was, and is still, made of girls/girls relationship in general, not only romantic one but platonic one too. Most Yuri either dont have romance or dont show anything more than hand holding because this entire genre was made out of "pure" and "cute" relationship. It was made for people who were fade up of overly superficial story where everything boild down to physical attraction.

I know today some westerner try super hard to destroy this genre, we see it easily as more and more super bad story made only for the fanservice and soft pron, but people if you dont follow their political idea dont use their wording.

Yuri was never about fighting for any poltical viewpoint, and it's the reason why it never was considered as weird.

This is it for my rant.

PS : The majority of Yuri enjoyer are men. And it is, funnily, for the opposed reason as to why Yaoi is mainly enjoyed by women.
PPS : The name and symbol of Yuri come from the white lily, a flower symbol of purity.
Yeah no thanks I don't need your lecture. A Yuri-ship is someone who 'ships' the Yuri genre, in other words someone who likes Yuri. I also don't need your 2 PS facts, because I worded my post so that westerners may understand. For me they are called 百合 and 百合厨 respectively, where the first one stands for white lily.
What I have stated is all true, Yuri 'enjoyers', in your words, ruin game after game and community after community, at least in China. They start off by 'colonising' a community, posting 'suggestions' like this thread, asking for a female MC. Then, they start attacking male MCs with sexual slander, and prosecute those enjoying a typical boy-girl relationship. Finally, they drive away other players and ruin the game. They just succeeded with Road to Nowhere recently, Azur Lane almost got ruined, and players are still fighting to defend their game.
For clarity, a Yuri enjoyer is a 百合厨, a enjoyer, a shipper. A Yuri 'enjoyer' who ruins communities is a 百合豚, a pig, a swine, if you will. Yuri is not political, but a Yuri 'enjoyer' is certainly political, in a sense that they eventually forbid others from liking anything other than Yuri.
The Adjuntant is creepy. He is meant to be a self insert style 'protagonist' we all know what I mean, if you don't you're too young to be here.
It'd be neat if he at least had some skins for the Base or something. Idk about redrawing scenes.
Kaezeribato a écrit :
renanqi001 a écrit :
the Yuri(lesbian)
Yuri and lesbian are not the same.
The Yuri genre was, and is still, made of girls/girls relationship in general, not only romantic one but platonic one too. Most Yuri either dont have romance or dont show anything more than hand holding because this entire genre was made out of "pure" and "cute" relationship. It was made for people who were fade up of overly superficial story where everything boild down to physical attraction.

I know today some westerner try super hard to destroy this genre, we see it easily as more and more super bad story made only for the fanservice and soft pron, but people if you dont follow their political idea dont use their wording.

Yuri was never about fighting for any poltical viewpoint, and it's the reason why it never was considered as weird.

This is it for my rant.

PS : The majority of Yuri enjoyer are men. And it is, funnily, for the opposed reason as to why Yaoi is mainly enjoyed by women.
PPS : The name and symbol of Yuri come from the white lily, a flower symbol of purity.

I do find it funny that a 'well actually' post about what 'yuri' is, is based in the infinitely repeating misunderstanding westerners make when fantasizing about Asian culture/history. Often even bought into now a days by natural born Japanese*/Kor/Chi/etc citizens, lol. Japans history with lesbian culture lead to the birth of the yuri genre. Woman being in love has historically had the more physical or "male"(horny) elements censored out of it to fit to mainstream perspectives on acceptable behavior between queer woman. Often stripping away their offending qualities so much that they are even considered straight/hetero and their lesb-ish tendencies are relegated to an 'all loving artifact of femininity.'
That watered down version of lesbian/GirlLove relationships is what lead to some more explicit modern material being perceived as genre defying when it is in fact less culturally censored material. (This is also not exclusive in any way to Japan/Asia.)
For the record, that does not mean explicit or gratuitous themes are necessary. Just to clarify that 'yuri' is not a synonym for 'lesbian' or 'GL-NSFW' but is in fact the sub-genre for lesbian. It'd be like calling a 'western'(English) genre of BL 'Fruitcake' or something.
For more information, feel free to get in touch with actual LGBT/queer communities/writers in Japan. That'll clear things up real quick.
Dernière modification de SpaceTrader; 23 mai 2024 à 0h10
So I strolled in and saw people still commenting here. Let me clear up a thing or two, then.

Bocchi a écrit :
Aren't u need to add friend to send DM?? Is this a bait???
The message was sent through email, so I have a loose idea on who might have sent it. Back when I claimed to have a social life, I made some friends over the Internet, and some of those had Steam accounts and know about my still functioning email account. So it was either a bad prank or one of those guys might hold something against me. Don't know don't care. I reported the email to the appropriate parties.

renanqi001 a écrit :
For anyone still reading into this - snip-
I think the game is safe for now. Not only did I refrain from continuing this, I also stopped playing, which is the best option for everyone. I just log to send presence to those on the game's friend list until I get bored and remove them all and uninstall for good. Also, I'm not into any of those Yuri groups you mentioned and didn't even know there was such a campaign. I'm not here to destroy games.

Lastly, before I stopped playing, I found a "hide adjuntant" key. Forgot which but the icon is on the lower right of the screen. It placates the feeling a bit but it's not a first person mode.

Then again, the original post had a last part that asked for a different outfit for the guy if a female option was simply out of the question, due to story constrains and the type of game this actually is (maybe a pair of eyes could do good too as he has none at the moment)...
Null_User a écrit :
Bocchi a écrit :
Aren't u need to add friend to send DM?? Is this a bait???
I made some friends over the Internet, and some of those had Steam accounts and know about my still functioning email account. So it was either a bad prank or one of those guys might hold something against me.

so you basically have ♥♥♥♥♥♥ friends and decided to twist it as if the forum members here did something bad... yikes.
CaptainMeow™ a écrit :
so you basically have ♥♥♥♥♥♥ friends and decided to twist it as if the forum members here did something bad... yikes.
I said it happened but never really pointed a finger anywhere at first. Someone checked this game's board, read the thread, and decided to send me that email. That's the most obvious thing. First time I get one of those in my life, so it took me quite by surprise. At first I was just as puzzled, but then I started to make memory about those people from past experiences as I certainly doubt any person I've talked to in the past ten or so years would have my personal email, as that's more or less how long I stopped sharing that info.

And yeah, you just made me realize something further. For all of this bad and tasteless spectacle, I should send a global apology, which I'm sending right now. I jumped the gun and acted without thinking it through. From the very first post of the thread to what it has become, I'm deeply sorry. I was completely out of line and thinking only about me. It is something that does not represent who I want to be, and demonstrates that I have a huge way to go.

Sadly no apology changes what I did, so I can assume the best course of action for me to be to also leave the forum behind. Perhaps just read it and not write anything from now on. Not sure. I still like helping with what little I know, but maybe not being able to do that would be a good penance for my blunder.
Null_User a écrit :
I think the game is safe for now. Not only did I refrain from continuing this, I also stopped playing, which is the best option for everyone. I just log to send presence to those on the game's friend list until I get bored and remove them all and uninstall for good. Also, I'm not into any of those Yuri groups you mentioned and didn't even know there was such a campaign. I'm not here to destroy games.

Lastly, before I stopped playing, I found a "hide adjuntant" key. Forgot which but the icon is on the lower right of the screen. It placates the feeling a bit but it's not a first person mode.

Then again, the original post had a last part that asked for a different outfit for the guy if a female option was simply out of the question, due to story constrains and the type of game this actually is (maybe a pair of eyes could do good too as he has none at the moment)...

Since you sound like a polite and reasonable person, I am also glad to share a bit more with you. Unfortunately, your original thread contained too much rhetoric that the extreme Yuri groups use, so you got a lot of hate due to pure coincidence. As I already posted above, your words were the exact ones they use just before they start ruining a community.
It's like you passed by a kindergarten, was curious so you peeked inside for a while, then calling to ask after a child of your distant relative to check up on them. They are still very likely to call the cops on you, since although you are not, you acted like a child molester. You did nothing wrong, just said the wrong things at a wrong time.
What's more, in a different thread, I posted about the current mobile game market in China. You can look it up if you're curious, but basically, other gaming companies are contempt but jealous of Snowbreak's success, they also suffer reduced revenue since their players are switching over to Snowbreak, so these companies are actively TRYING TO KILL SNOWBREAK right now, using everything at their disposal. Thus, the community is understandably very defensive and sensitive, sometimes even extreme, because otherwise their game might be ruined by corporate espionage.(Yes it sounds unreal, but these companies really pay people to start fights and rumors in the community.)
Lastly, to address your complaint about eyes - it is an artistic choice rather than a spontaneous one. If you happen to have watched some R-18 anime (I imagine most people here did), or just seen some fanart, you will realise that this is not an unique case, but a pattern. Besides, you have most certainly seen in films or shows a device called a retina scanner? A person's eyes are the most unique and unchanging part of their appearance, to the point where it can be used for identification. So, covering a male MC's eyes or not drawing them eases immersion for the player, making it easier for them to think that 'this person is me, not another stranger'.
renanqi001 a écrit :
For clarity, a Yuri enjoyer is a 百合厨, a enjoyer, a shipper. A Yuri 'enjoyer' who ruins communities is a 百合豚, a pig, a swine, if you will. Yuri is not political, but a Yuri 'enjoyer' is certainly political, in a sense that they eventually forbid others from liking anything other than Yuri.
That's why i said this, the two are not the same. The "Yuri enjoyer" you talk about are the people who started to come into the genre recently and are extreme poltical activist.
To fight this group of political activist you first need to separate them from normal Yuri fan.

A "normal" Yuri fan is someone who enjoy ,for exemple, Girls Und Panzer. You never see any yuri fan of this series go around hating men?
Activist try to "hide" in larger group to protect themself. If you do not separate them from the group your fight will be in vain. If you want to prevent them from ruining any IP you need to indentify them more clearly, and not mix them with the majority who are unrelated.
Kaezeribato a écrit :
That's why i said this, the two are not the same. The "Yuri enjoyer" you talk about are the people who started to come into the genre recently and are extreme poltical activist.
To fight this group of political activist you first need to separate them from normal Yuri fan.

A "normal" Yuri fan is someone who enjoy ,for exemple, Girls Und Panzer. You never see any yuri fan of this series go around hating men?
Activist try to "hide" in larger group to protect themself. If you do not separate them from the group your fight will be in vain. If you want to prevent them from ruining any IP you need to indentify them more clearly, and not mix them with the majority who are unrelated.
The thing is, it is not necessary to separate these extremists from the group at large, since like you said, normal Yuri fans don't go around harassing people, or try to infiltrate another community. They stay in their own community and enjoy content made for them. So if a 'normal Yuri fan' rears their head in a boy-girl community, they are without a doubt an extremist. Or, more exactly, from the point where a Yuri fan goes to another community to advertise Yuri rhetoric, they are to be considered an extremist.
I like Girls und Panzer as well, I like Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete, but I don't come here asking for a female MC, or CPs between characters. The problem is, some 'Yuri fans' coming into the community did. Even if the community doesn't separate the extremists from normal fans, the fight would just be considered by others to be a little radical, but would never be in vain. The fight would only be in vain if these extremists infiltrates despite all efforts. The community isn't harassing normal Yuri fans elsewhere for retaliation, just forbidding anyone from discussing adding Yuri features to the game.
I laughed... You literaly start by
SpaceTrader a écrit :
I do find it funny that a 'well actually' post about what 'yuri' is, is based in the infinitely repeating misunderstanding westerners make when fantasizing about Asian culture/history.
And then proceed to add modern wester political belief into your text, acting as if these, less than 20 year old, western political belief had an impact on the more than 40 year old Japanese Yuri genre?

You even add
SpaceTrader a écrit :
LGBT/queer communities
and you still dare to pretend that i am the one who use western view on to juge things?

All the things you said are literaly modern western politcal activism, and you dont get the issue when you act as if you represented a Japanese view point?

It's a fact that most yuri lover are men, not because they are horny, like your lack of brain matter make you think, but because it's "chill" and "healing".
Not everyone is like you, not everyone define their entire life around sex and sexual activity.

It's also a fact that the genre exist and survive because of men, as women are a minority in this genre. Like i said, it's literaly the same for Yaoi and Women. But weirdly we dont see men going around, like you do, insulting women and acting as if they were not the main demographic target.

Realy, things were so much better twenty year ago before any of you started to swarm everything with your childish political view. Today we have you go around trying to rewrite history acting as if your western political belief were universal.

Still care to tell me, how come you dont have any issue with Yaoi being mainly enjoyed by women but have any issue with Yuri being mainly enjoyed by men? Or is it too much to ask?
renanqi001 a écrit :
The thing is, it is not necessary to separate these extremists from the group at large...
When i said to separate the two it was because most people who enjoy yuri are not into this political activism thing.
So when you try to prevent the political activist from doing their things, the people, who dont know anything about what's happening, will tend to defend the political activist just because they are part of the same group.
So if you start by separating them from the larger group you will have an easier time. If you let the larger group know what the activist are doing then you will be able to, more easily, prevent the political activist from going around ruinning everythings.
Kaezeribato a écrit :
renanqi001 a écrit :
The thing is, it is not necessary to separate these extremists from the group at large...
When i said to separate the two it was because most people who enjoy yuri are not into this political activism thing.
So when you try to prevent the political activist from doing their things, the people, who dont know anything about what's happening, will tend to defend the political activist just because they are part of the same group.
So if you start by separating them from the larger group you will have an easier time. If you let the larger group know what the activist are doing then you will be able to, more easily, prevent the political activist from going around ruinning everythings.
Brother, the thing is, these 'activists' are hated by normal Yuri fans as well. Like in the famous quote, 'the first nation the Nazis invaded was Germany', the first group who fell under attack was the normal Yuri community. Luckily, the community survived, and these extremists had to flee elsewhere for them to find meaning again. Normal Yuri fans hate these extremists almost as much as everyone else do, if not even more, since they ruin the reputation of Yuri fans. They are now completely separate entities, but still, thanks for your concern. Like I said, the community is just stopping Yuri extremists, not hating on normal Yuri fans at all.
I already blocked that 'Spacetrader' guy/being, since he was obviously just spewing bile. However, I also appreciate people like those a little bit, because there is a lot of hate and tension between China and Japan, yet those 'creatures' from the west can unite us, even if just temporarily.
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