Don't make new alts all big-breasted

[Hinamina]

The trend seems to be to make old characters change shape. Like in this new banner, breasts suddenly jump up a few cups for characters that originally had a more modest figure. I don't want to fear that Fritia or Mauxir suddenly get a boob-up in the future because i like them being more flat-chested. I paid for the girls because i liked how they look and i don't want them changed this drastically. I don't know what i will do if they keep changing characters but i know that if all become magically big-breasted it will be boring. This isn't fanservice, it's just cheap taste.

[76561198969621264]

Originally posted by Scooter:

Originally posted by TammyTamed:

It's Ace. If it's just "different clothes" then Absconditus being smaller than Exuvia and Ksana doesn't make sense.

??? Haru's is consistent far as I can see. Enya's summer outfit already set the expectation/ precedence that her nippon grade ballistics being uh.... hoochie mama levels of degenerate compared to the rest of the cast, ergo the whole tacticool outfit on her 4 star design warping her proportions argument.

I'm not saying Haru's inconsistent, I'm saying that Enya and Siris becoming bigger on their default outfit is inconsistent. I'm discounting outfits because I know for a fact that the devs are gonna pander hard to sell the outfit. If the argument is that the alternate outfit explains the next default outfit, you're putting the same problem just on an earlier point. You're telling them that they have to make a big-tiddy outfit of that operator first before they make a 5* version with a massive pair. It's not addressing the issue that's raised here which is them making Azure Lane levels of heft on operators nobody expected to have.

[Null_User]

I remember a similar trope since 90's Anime, where female characters looked almost flat in their regular clothes, but come the beach episode and it's melons everywhere.

[info]

Originally posted by OutSeal:

"the trend"
isn't this the first time?

exactly. when in the last 30 years have breasts gotten bigger in games? when??

it's been uglification and shrinkage.

calling a one time thing a trend just screams pronoun or other subversive ESG funded crap.

and I don't actually disagree with the point. there's absolutely a "too big". but that's how these people get their hooks in: make a point that's not really wrong into something that's suddenly an "issue" and create artificial pressure with bots to back them up so companies tone down the looks of characters, when it was just "some guy" whose not really sure if he even is into women....

that said, I also don't want mega huge breasts suddenly... but Siris is fine. I find the medical chick, Enya? the one with the nurse outfit to be a bit too big... but it's not at the level of being unappealing. it just seems like they're just so far outside what her body could produce that it makes it look unreal and thus not that appealing. but it doesn't bother me really. what bothers me more is that pistols are such garbage weapons in this game... and that SMGs aren't much better

but there should absolutely be a space for girls with well shaped but not huuuge breasts in this game. after all, that's what the artwork showed.

I find it questionable though to have this discussion... I have not noticed any trend of any kind.

Cherno looked so cute in the launcher opening last month. there should be a place for girls like her with well shaped but smaller breasts.
but telling this to a company in the current climate that seemingly gleefully produces man-shaped women with no breasts and ugly and old faces is such a counterproductive and bad move overall.

that's why I'd argue to completely stop even having this discussion. it leads to nothing good.

[info]

after looking through the heroes and the new story line and in general thought about it a bit more, there's two things:

Agave (if she ever becomes playable) is absolutely unappealing. she has monster breasts that don't look human.

I take Cherno's over that any day.

and:
in general, I think the issue is also that a lot of the bigger chests are not shaped well. there's something off with them. they don't look like it's anything but bags with water... it sounds weird, but that's my only way to describe it. real breasts from women at age 20 are firm (if they're healthy). even if they're big.

I think the issue with Siris chest is that they don't look right. they are weirdly spaced (maybe a visual effect subjective to me, based on costume design or color)... I just feel they don't look like they should.

Raven II / Raven 2 the Korean game has some girls with bigger and smaller chests, but they all look perfect. even really big ones look "normal", not like water bags.

in general, all the girls are very appealing (besides the mech-arms lady) but there's something off with a few of the girls when it comes to chests.

[Scooter]

Originally posted by TammyTamed:

Originally posted by Scooter:

??? Haru's is consistent far as I can see. Enya's summer outfit already set the expectation/ precedence that her nippon grade ballistics being uh.... hoochie mama levels of degenerate compared to the rest of the cast, ergo the whole tacticool outfit on her 4 star design warping her proportions argument.

I'm not saying Haru's inconsistent, I'm saying that Enya and Siris becoming bigger on their default outfit is inconsistent. I'm discounting outfits because I know for a fact that the devs are gonna pander hard to sell the outfit. If the argument is that the alternate outfit explains the next default outfit, you're putting the same problem just on an earlier point. You're telling them that they have to make a big-tiddy outfit of that operator first before they make a 5* version with a massive pair. It's not addressing the issue that's raised here which is them making Azure Lane levels of heft on operators nobody expected to have.

Therein lies your problem.... you're cherrypicking.

End of the day, Haru's design has been made to be the cool, slick and capable type whereas Enya's already very clearly made out to be the big tibby onee-san type ala Atago from Azur Lane.

And... no? The argument is that the character motif is set out clearly from the beginning for each character, hence why there's little to no backlash to Enya and Cherno's adjusted proportions. They're within expectations still and we can tell who they are just from a passing glance. Siris' on the other hand is a bigger leap than anything by miles design-wise. You can slap a different name on her and newer players might buy into that.

Heck just look at Siris' default 5 star and her alt outfit. The alt one has a less bombastic jump in proportion than her default one even if it's a leap over her 4 star proportions. Reckon if they stuck with her outfit's proportion for her base 5 star design, we wouldn't be seeing this much of a noise about it really (as minor a noise as it may be).

At this point, I'd wager people would have less reservations about her design if they kept her circular headpiece (even if it's slightly altered), more focus on the left shoulder armor and some kind of hoody to keep the tacticool vibe going ala Haru's.

Thankfully we only have Nita left for a redesign so here's hoping they keep the "upgrades" in check. It's all about design and motif consistency between the existing characters to their upgraded ones while delivering the fanservice.

[Redbu11]

tbh yes, I prefer very small tits (and flat chest is super hot), big tits are not really attractive

[Chariothe]

Originally posted by info:

Originally posted by OutSeal:

"the trend"
isn't this the first time?

exactly. when in the last 30 years have breasts gotten bigger in games? when??

it's been uglification and shrinkage.

calling a one time thing a trend just screams pronoun or other subversive ESG funded crap.

and I don't actually disagree with the point. there's absolutely a "too big". but that's how these people get their hooks in: make a point that's not really wrong into something that's suddenly an "issue" and create artificial pressure with bots to back them up so companies tone down the looks of characters, when it was just "some guy" whose not really sure if he even is into women....

that said, I also don't want mega huge breasts suddenly... but Siris is fine. I find the medical chick, Enya? the one with the nurse outfit to be a bit too big... but it's not at the level of being unappealing. it just seems like they're just so far outside what her body could produce that it makes it look unreal and thus not that appealing. but it doesn't bother me really. what bothers me more is that pistols are such garbage weapons in this game... and that SMGs aren't much better

but there should absolutely be a space for girls with well shaped but not huuuge breasts in this game. after all, that's what the artwork showed.

I find it questionable though to have this discussion... I have not noticed any trend of any kind.

Cherno looked so cute in the launcher opening last month. there should be a place for girls like her with well shaped but smaller breasts.
but telling this to a company in the current climate that seemingly gleefully produces man-shaped women with no breasts and ugly and old faces is such a counterproductive and bad move overall.

that's why I'd argue to completely stop even having this discussion. it leads to nothing good.

you are too much into politics that you get two completely different scenarios mixed up,
Saying, "don't change any more petite girls into busty girls" isn't the same as telling company "pls make man-shaped women with no breasts and ugly and old faces"
and those ESG uglification has not much place in anime style to begin with idk how could you connect between the two.

The trend we are talking here is about the in-game chest size increase, it's started since Haru Fogbound event, her orange tier is quite an upgrade from her purple tier, then Enya&Yao got size upgrade in summer patch too with their summer skins, then Cherno, there were some questions about the upgrade but people did comparison, shared the picture and they all are in arguable/acceptable area.
and you are talking about artistic preferences, that's ok but that's different from the main topic, which is "the massive change on petite character", it's not Cherno's level of small upgrade(and she has story written for her to justify the change btw. The moment she was separated from Meursault, She got new look), Siris's now even bigger than most characters, no way she just get 300% increase from B cup to E cup like that out of nowhere.

[Corinarh]

Fritia, Nita and Mauxir are next to be plumpified since Chinese players don't like them and they are ranking the lowest at popularity list along with few other girls like Haru (new players don't have her) and Marian.

[Seweryn Najemny]

It's pretty ridiculous, especially considering how completely glossed over it is with Siris, at least Cherno got a throwaway line about being able to "develop properly" with Merusault being temporarily gone.

For Siris the heart growing 3 sizes is just a christmas miracle.

Originally posted by Corinarh:

Fritia, Nita and Mauxir are next to be plumpified since Chinese players don't like them and they are ranking the lowest at popularity list along with few other girls like Haru (new players don't have her) and Marian.

Nita and both versions of Mauxir are not very fun to play, so their poor performance is almost certainly based on that alone, Frita suffers from being an Assault Rifle user that doesn't actually want to shoot the Assault Rifle, so there's a dissonance there that also ruins the impression.

Look at what Siris 4* and Siris 5* do in terms of numbers and skill effects: 4* is so basic it's almost uncharacteristic for the game as a whole and barely has any impact, 5* requires you to read two encyclopedias to explain that you press a button twice and everything in front of you dies.

[M u g e p]

i am a newbie and my fav is Lyfe, not fan of つるぺた. but if they modified their figures too drastically, i would regard devs have not much respect to players and characters.
how they treat characters and manage game is up to them, so i don't claim much though, i may be away from this game with a bit of disappointment.

[76561198969621264]

Originally posted by Scooter:

Therein lies your problem.... you're cherrypicking.

I didn't. I assumed the common comparison which is the default outfit. I've already said the reason why and you just added more with your Ksana alternate outfit comparison. They are conflicting/inconsistent across the board. Quiet Quitter's Enduring Valor isn't consistent with the default outfit that it says it came from while all of Fenny's is consistent with little to no change.

Originally posted by Scooter:

And... no? The argument is that the character motif is set out clearly from the beginning for each character, hence why there's little to no backlash to Enya and Cherno's adjusted proportions.

Mind telling me what the motif of those two are?

Originally posted by Scooter:

At this point, I'd wager people would have less reservations about her design if they kept her circular headpiece (even if it's slightly altered), more focus on the left shoulder armor and some kind of hoody to keep the tacticool vibe going ala Haru's.

Talk about looking down on people. We're talking about body shape and your wager is that people will be okay if they just to slap her 4* headpiece on and copy Absconditus' design.

[dOrgnar]

New Siris is amazing and gorgeous. That's all I can say

[lacres181]

Originally posted by dOrgnar:

New Siris is amazing and gorgeous. That's all I can say

yeahh...but some people dont like it. like the OP.
this is why we cant have nice things.

[M u g e p]

in my sight, creating new characters does not make much problems of this sort.
for example, アガベ(idk how her name is written and called in English, sorry) is well anticipated by ppl to be a playable operative as big booba girl from i look.
personally i am always welcome any kind of girls(巨乳 or 貧乳 or whatever) implemented into the game :)

[Neptlude]

Mauxir made a comment on how Siris is hiding those under her clothes, in one of the dorm interactions... >_>