Hand of Fate

Hand of Fate

PandaMan 2015 年 2 月 18 日 上午 7:31
[Question] Will Kickstarter Reward Eventually Be Available To Non-Backers?
Like many of us here, I picked up the game recently and have been having a fun time with it. I learned that this game had been succesfully funded via Kickstarter and saw that there were multiple rewards available then. Will those exclusive cards would eventually made available to the rest of the community?

While I can definitely respect having a special reward for backers who pitched in early, it's a bit annoying to miss some game content. I know the folks behind Sunless Sea will be selling their Kickstarter rewards a few months after full release and then at a price that's fair to the backers. Maybe a similar arrangement can be made for Hand of Fate?
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Averagedog 2015 年 2 月 18 日 上午 8:05 
People like you are never going to be satisfied even if you do have everything. It is seriously a growing pet peeve of mine to encounter people that won't respect the promises and the choices made by others. This game is complete for all intents and purposes as far as us non KS backers are concerned. Get over it. You are not a special snowflake, We are all human beings in a world of over 7 billion human souls living on this Earth. We may each live in different circumstances and experience different things, but living under the thought that "I am the most important person in the world" is nothing but selfish and inconsiderate to the feelings and the quality of life to everyone else you may affect.

I have been sampling this game over the course of the past couple months and I never felt that the game was incomplete other than some UI issues and some polish. Yea Sure, cards are indeed additional content to be experienced, but the thing is, for the quality they have shown us and the large combination of cards available, I have never once felt like they were intentionally witholding anything back. They are passionate about this game, they do frequent bug fix updates, and they frequently engage with the community. They are developers that everyone that likes this sort of experience should support whole heartedly.

So you missed a kickstarter for something that would have really interested you. Boo Hoo so sad. I have missed plenty of kickstarters that I would have wanted to support. But the thing is, it is not their fault that you were not aware of the opportunity. Sometimes you have to look for that opportunity yourself or just browse at the right place at the right time. Accept it and move on. If you are not able to accept that there is content you will never be able to get your hands on because it is either too expensive (unfairly no doubt in your mind) or is locked away as a timed exclusive (again unfairly because you did not know it existed at the time it was on sale or available) Then honestly, you shouldn't be looking at any modern game available for purchase. Go back and live in the 90s and early 2000's when most content updates were free or real expansion packs. The present is an environment that is not for you.
bud 2015 年 2 月 18 日 上午 8:26 
I support the OP's request and I do not understand this response.
Averagedog 2015 年 2 月 18 日 上午 8:28 
probably because you did not read it after the first few sentences. But if you want a TLDR: Stop. Feeling. Entitled. Over. Things. You. Don't. Have. A. Right. To.
mix master meat 2015 年 2 月 18 日 上午 8:31 
I think it's 100% fine for the KS rewards to remain KS exclusive. That, after all, was part of the reward for backers putting their faith and $$ in the game. The *constant* outcry to make KS backer rewards ubiquitous and available to all is what Averagedog is reacting to, and I completely agree with him.
最后由 mix master meat 编辑于; 2015 年 2 月 18 日 上午 8:32
Shinjica 2015 年 2 月 18 日 上午 9:31 
Honestly, OP make a simple question without being entitied or angry. You dont have any right to bash him.

There are other thread who deserve this kind of answer
Averagedog 2015 年 2 月 18 日 上午 9:41 
引用自 Shinjica
Honestly, OP make a simple question without being entitied or angry. You dont have any right to bash him.

There are other thread who deserve this kind of answer

It is not a simple question and he clearly did feel entitled since he was asking about obtaining exclusive items. If you need any evidence as to why I am reacting this way, all you pretty much need to do, is go to any other high profile EA game that was kickstarted originally and look at the threads regarding exclusivity in the discussion boards. In one case such as in Darkest Dungeon. Some scumbag pretty much demanded the exclusive content or else he would try and actively disparage the game to try and get people to not even give the game a chance. After literally hundreds of pages of a flame war, he realized that he was losing support because of his original post. To hide his real agenda he literally editted his post to make it look like he was the victim. New people drawn into the conversation were now misinformed about the real intentions of the OP and the flame war started anew.

So now when I see another thread in a new kickstarter backed out of EA game that I really enjoy about this subject. It is best to nip this in the bud before the weaseling could begin.

Discussions like this are not even limited to games on Steam. If you look at League of Legends, a year or so ago, Riot went back on their word on exclusive skins due to pressure from all the whiners that felt entitled to getting the old exclusive time limited skins and pressure from their Chinese Investors. Riot cracked because they no longer truly own their game. Riot did not even poll all the people that bought exclusive skins to get their feelings on the issue and respect them. Instead they polled a random group of people whether they had exclusive skins or not and made their decisions based on those samples. When you spit in the face of the people that supported you and continue to support you. It tends to leave a very foul odor. But hey, they don't care, the player base is huge for that game so they can afford to compromise their morals.
PandaMan 2015 年 2 月 18 日 上午 9:49 
Averagedog, calm down. I'm not whining, I'm simply asking a question that I hope one of the developers will answer. Until they reply, you don't need to keep writing small novels. Thanks babe <3
mix master meat 2015 年 2 月 18 日 上午 9:58 
But TokyoUD, Averagedog is feeling so many feelings! I don't mean to speak for anybody, but I assume Averagedog's hyperbolic responses are a result of this becoming such a common debate in forums are Kickstarted/crowd-funded games.
Colin 2015 年 2 月 18 日 上午 10:06 
I certainly hope not. Given how Defiant have carried themselves so far I don't see any reason to expect it happening either.

I can understand the desire for such content to become available, I have come across projects late before and been saddened at missing out on "exclusive" content. However for many people this is the incentive that causes them to back such products and it is unfair to take this away from them.

For full disclosure, I backed this on Kickstarter. However, as I previously said there have been many others that I've missed out on and my feelings are the same. If something has been promised as being exclusive, then it should remain that way.
Averagedog 2015 年 2 月 18 日 上午 10:11 
引用自 TokyoUD
Averagedog, calm down. I'm not whining, I'm simply asking a question that I hope one of the developers will answer. Until they reply, you don't need to keep writing small novels. Thanks babe <3

writing small half pointless novels is the validation of my existance. <3

引用自 mix master meat
But TokyoUD, Averagedog is feeling so many feelings! I don't mean to speak for anybody, but I assume Averagedog's hyperbolic responses are a result of this becoming such a common debate in forums are Kickstarted/crowd-funded games.

It is. It is somehow hard for people to understand that there are rules and they cannot or should not be changed without the expressed consent of a majority of the backers that the promise was made to. So wherever I notice a debate like this starting, whether it be from a humble question or a harsh demand, I do my best to counter attack like a stereotypical keyboard warrior/social justice hipster. I just simply despise people that seek to undermine the chain of command when they are fully aware they are doing so and not caring about all the people that did back the game. While it is true that people that donate in kickstarterr do not in fact own anything when it comes to the product being released, there is an obligation in writing, made by developers or the kickstarter owners of whatever campaigns that such items remain exclusive. When it comes down to it a product is sold based off of its advertising. If there is promised exclusivity that is broken by the manufactures of said exclusive product, then the company is breaking a whole bunch of laws in the U.S.
MemPhiZ ZX - #NewYear2025 2015 年 2 月 18 日 上午 10:16 
I'm not one of the KS backer and I'm agree with Averagedog and Crazee. Those backer rewards should stay exclusive to the backers since they've put their money and faith to the KS project and like Crazee said, it's unfair to take it away from them.
Fyre 2015 年 2 月 18 日 上午 11:01 
Nobody is taking anything away from them, but holding back content in a game that i'm paying money for is a little ridiculous. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be exclusive but after 6 months to a year there should just be a little $5 DLC for people as anal as I am.

Edit: And no, I didn't read any of the short novels by averagedog, I have stuff to do today.
最后由 Fyre 编辑于; 2015 年 2 月 18 日 上午 11:02
Timeraider 2015 年 2 月 18 日 上午 11:08 
引用自 poop
Nobody is taking anything away from them, but holding back content in a game that i'm paying money for is a little ridiculous. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be exclusive but after 6 months to a year there should just be a little $5 DLC for people as anal as I am.

Edit: And no, I didn't read any of the short novels by averagedog, I have stuff to do today.

If it actually was "content" which it isnt. A very small amount of extra cards put into an already exsisting deck is hardly to be called content.
Regardless of not being a Kickstarterbacker i agree with te above statements expressing that Kickstarter rewards are Kickstarter rewards and thus should be for people who back Kickstarter.. not other people.
最后由 Timeraider 编辑于; 2015 年 2 月 18 日 上午 11:09
Colin 2015 年 2 月 18 日 上午 11:18 
引用自 poop
Nobody is taking anything away from them, but holding back content in a game that i'm paying money for is a little ridiculous. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be exclusive but after 6 months to a year there should just be a little $5 DLC for people as anal as I am.

Edit: And no, I didn't read any of the short novels by averagedog, I have stuff to do today.
By making the content available for everyone it takes away the exclusivity.

I can understand your frustration at having content held back. In cases such as this, where exclusive content is offered I'm of the opion that it's best if it's just cosmetic things. I haven't seen any of the Kickstarter cards yet, so I can't comment on the precise nature of the content on offer in this situation.

I'd much rather have a small amount of non-meaningful content restricted and a developer who keeps thier integrity than the alternative. Even in those cases where I am the one who is 'missing out'.
💎 Andy 💎 2015 年 2 月 18 日 下午 12:26 
@Averagedog

What a simply riddiculous, and unwarrented response.

First off how, in any way does it affect you, your gaming, or your life.
If someone, anyone, be that the OP, or the bloke standing next to inline at 'angry nonsensical, responses R us', has a little more digital DLC for a game.

Quote.
"It is seriously a growing pet peeve of mine to encounter people that won't respect the promises and the choices made by others"
So a dev decides to let the DLC out to others after a time. And.. this affects you...how exactly?

Quote.
"So you missed a kick-starter for something that would have really interested you. Boo Hoo so sad. I have missed plenty of kick-starters that I would have wanted to support"

I think you just proved you own point. He "Missed it" he didn't ignore it.
"Missed" being the operative word here.
So why should he "miss" out on the content, or should the devs (of any game) just leave it lying in some dusty hard drive, and ....
A, Just let their hard work go to waste?
B, Not let others enjoy the fruit of their labours?
C, make some extra cash in doing so? (when its paid DLC)

Quote.
"Sometimes you have to look for that opportunity yourself or just browse at the right place at the right time"
You are joking right?
We all get surprised with new games, and EA's that launch on Steam. A site we are use daily.
So how on earth is he, or anyone supposed to know, or police ALL of the Kick Starters on the net, that are happening for games he might be interested in. Some are pretty obscure.

I could go on and on with quotes from your unpleasant response to OP.
but lets leave it with this one.

"People like you are never going to be satisfied even if you do have everything."
So what if he does, again how does that affect you, or indeed anyone.

Just think about it, seriously.
Why would it annoy you so 'obviously' deeply, if someone whom you will never meet, and probably never come across again, in any context. Should want something so trivial, and so innocuous as a little piece of cyber DLC.
And ask for it on a forum, the very place for such questions.

Its laughable when you really break it down.
Or at least it should be.
最后由 💎 Andy 💎 编辑于; 2015 年 2 月 18 日 下午 12:29
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