Ok so what should be my first time classes?

[Ryu]

Ok so i will be clear i like 100% games so what would be a good party to start with?

[NeoDraconis]

Well you can only 100% the game with at the bare minimum of 2 playthroughs without making use of reborn... 3 playthroughs if you don't want to be too restricted. Why don't you tell me of which achievements you would you like to get done with the first? I could make reccomendations then. I do suggest a hunter for sure to scan every enemy you can so you can make use of the ingame bestiary for any following runs.

[Ryu]

Originally posted by NeoDraconis:

Well you can only 100% the game with at the bare minimum of 2 playthroughs without making use of reborn... 3 playthroughs if you don't want to be too restricted. Why don't you tell me of which achievements you would you like to get done with the first? I could make reccomendations then. I do suggest a hunter for sure to scan every enemy you can so you can make use of the ingame bestiary for any following runs.

Ok maybe i should have not said 100% I mean i like to explore every area in a game and battle every boss (Even the ones you don't have too) I also like getting the best stuff in the game.

But really what i want in to not pick the "bad" classes like the game says gray mages suck late game i would reather have a class that sucks at the start but rocks in the end game.

[NeoDraconis]

Hmm would you like to encounter every enemy in the game then? Pick at least one knight or monk; then pick from either a white mage or an engineer. I will suggest a fourth member after your reply.

[dsweet87]

Knight Monk White Mage Black mage is probably the standard party and it's my favorite party.

Knight is your standard tank class and is fairly powerful.

Monk is weak in the beginning, but becomes immune to status effects and become the most powerful character end game.

White mages are super healers and buffers and can do massive damage to undead, but not much else.

Black mages are amazing enemy group destroyers, I love em. Also the best endgame combo buff with Godlike on the monk.

Thiefs are slightly interesting but weak, but they can steal duplicates of the best equipment in the end-game.

Grey Mage is interesting but very weak, a bad hybrid class.

Hunter is nice and can be used to replace the Knight, plus you can travel without getting into encounters, but then you can't use swords.

Engineer is the most interesting class and can be a white mage/black mage into one if you grind for money and fish a lot.

[NeoDraconis]

Personally I only make use of one knight or monk in the party as the Hunter's scan is really useful in buffing the party not to mention her aoes.

[Ryu]

Originally posted by dsweet87:

Knight Monk White Mage Black mage is probably the standard party and it's my favorite party.

Knight is your standard tank class and is fairly powerful.

Monk is weak in the beginning, but becomes immune to status effects and become the most powerful character end game.

White mages are super healers and buffers and can do massive damage to undead, but not much else.

Black mages are amazing enemy group destroyers, I love em. Also the best endgame combo buff with Godlike on the monk.

Thiefs are slightly interesting but weak, but they can steal duplicates of the best equipment in the end-game.

Grey Mage is interesting but very weak, a bad hybrid class.

Hunter is nice and can be used to replace the Knight, plus you can travel without getting into encounters, but then you can't use swords.

Engineer is the most interesting class and can be a white mage/black mage into one if you grind for money and fish a lot.

I think i will do that Knight Monk White Mage Black mage idea :)

[dsweet87]

Great! Feel free to ask any more questions here, also there is a great strategy guide at the whitegiantrpg website to download.

[NeoDraconis]

Its your choice just know that the guide only shows the stats for bosses on hard mode. Which is why I suggested a Hunter for the first run; the ingame bestiary stays current for all difficulties.

[Leichuan]

personally, I prefer using monk, thief, grey mage, and engineer or knight, hunter, white mage, and black mage.

I'll list the pros and cons of the first party

Pros

amazing late game damage with monk
steal bombs and end game equips with thief
get money to fuel fishing/synthesis with thief
engineer becomes a better healer than white mage if you level fishing a little
grey mage makes a good tank while still being able to heal and help with damage

cons

monk can die really quickly due to lack of defense
requires a bit more thought and resource planning as engineer is reliant on items for quite a while
grey mage doesn't excel at damage or healing
once all of the useful items have been stolen, thief becomes nearly useless
lack access to white mage buffs (but items help mitigate this)

[NeoDraconis]

Eh but the thief does grant the easiest method of getting two kali's rings and 4 Amarathine rings making it much easier to beat the final super boss into the ground regardless of difficulty as long as your team is somewhat capable.

[Leichuan]

yea, I'm sad that thief becomes useless once everything's been stolen (although it's really useful stuff to steal)... although having someone that can aoe with the vanir sword is nice for random encounters

[NeoDraconis]

Thief's upgraded class can equip the Vanir Sword. Plus you can build his crit pretty high and save a crap ton of cash by farming certain areas for certain items.

[Ramidel]

For a first party, I still advocate Gray Mage, Monk, Engineer, Black Mage.

[Kaerius]

Originally posted by Ramidel:

For a first party, I still advocate Gray Mage, Monk, Engineer, Black Mage.

Could be a decent learning experience...

For an actual achievement gathering first playthrough, I'd have to say Monk, Thief, Hunter, Engineer. Just make sure you're set to save anywhere, otherwise swap Engineer out for a White Mage, or the lack of resurrect ability until master rod will probably drive you spare. Build the Hunter heavily on ATK and it's a decent beatstick, aside from utility and building your beastiary, and heavy armor means it's not so squishy. Also moas means putting encounters on grind is less of an annoyance.

[errantstar]

for an Ultimate Challenge party the easiest way to do it is probably Engineer/Knight and then BM/another engineer and whatever else in last slot (i picked thief but you might want an actual revive), you kill random encounters with 2 aoe spammers and engineers will usually have very high PRE due to not needing other stats, and in boss fights you outlast them with taunt and healing fish + the bomb fish will do more damage than actual attacks until well of souls.

Does leave the other party if you want to get cheevos with 2 playthroughs as hunter/monk/white/gray though, which isn't great.


e: on non-legendary difficulties taunt isn't required but it's still very helpful, on hard you could do something simple like monk or knight/thief/WM/BM or engi over one of the mages