Unreal Engine 5 was a Mistake

[Riceball]

It's clearly the main issue, no way should this game be giving this many issues while looking it it does for so many people. Hell Unreal 4 would have been a better bet or you know, just stick to Unreal 3 like the original game.

[Serious]

What would be the difference?
I'm pretty sure most of the actually new and important features of UE5 are not used (like lumen or nanite).

[Gitaroo]

well unlike UE3, UE5 and UE4 are basically the same engine, you can back port some of the UE4 features to UE4 like TSR. In 2024, its actually better to go UE5 than UE4 to get constant update and support from Epic going forward, there almost no reason to use UE4 at this point even if your game don't use lumen nor nanite. Benefit for this port is you can use ini tweak to enable high quality RT. UE5, especially the newer version also have a few measure in place to mitigate PSO stutter which I don't think this game does at least based on what read. Normally UE4 titles especially DX12 UE4 titles are plague with PSO stutter.

[HunterTwoOneOne]

I've been saying it for a while but for whatever reason UE5 games are always in a worse state than if they were in UE4 when they don't have any reason to be in UE5. That badness varies, but for the most part, yeesh. There isn't much advantage for most games to be going with UE5 IMO. Like, yeah there's new tech there, but new tech doesn't always translate to being worth picking as your game engine. This is an offline single player game that was originally made on UE3, jumping to UE5 doesn't feel like it was needed considering the jump in graphics seems like it could have been handled just fine in UE4 and not have some of the issues that we're seeing in the game right now. I know a lot of people want the pretty graphics UE5 offers but like, it's a really bad option frankly. Games just perform really poorly on UE5 for some reason, I just don't get the love from some people. I would say they're serious but Epic does shovel money into stuff so it's possible it's paid shills IDK...

[Riceball]

What sucks is I'm gonna end up refunding it. The audio issues along with the lower then it should be frame rate with 2012 visuals along with the frame drops is just pathetic. It's really bad when this game much like all modern game releases needs the Ultimate developer crutch, DLSS and or FSR.

[HunterTwoOneOne]

Originally posted by Riceball:

What sucks is I'm gonna end up refunding it. The audio issues along with the lower then it should be frame rate with 2012 visuals along with the frame drops is just pathetic. It's really bad when this game much like all modern game releases needs the Ultimate developer crutch, DLSS and or FSR.

Worse still is that there aren't any graphics options in game. I get people who wanna refund it, the state it released in isn't for everybody. The flaws it has are substantial. I wont be, because I can overlook the problems and enjoy it for what it is. Big issue for me is the lack of Cloud Saves. That's an ancient and super easy to implement feature and it makes the game worse as a whole for not having it, especially for Steam Deck owners who may want to play while traveling and then pick it back up on a Desktop later for better graphics.

[Serious]

And how would UE3 help here?
I'm pretty sure that DLSS, FSR won't work for UE3. Also the support for UE4 would be lackluster compared to UE5 including niagara, dx12 integration, and so much more.

Playing at 1440p 100% stable 60 fps, no fg active. Probably you might want to check your setup, stop expensive background programs, lower the quality in the gameusersettings.ini in here: C:\Users\YOURUSER\AppData\Local\lollipop\Saved\Config\Windows

[Riceball]

If it gets fixed by the 25th I'll rebuy it. If not I'll wait for a sale. It's so rare to get a fun action game but the weird glitches and poor optimization kinda ruins it for me.

[HunterTwoOneOne]

Originally posted by Serious:

And how would UE3 help here?
I'm pretty sure that DLSS, FSR won't work for UE3. Also the support for UE4 would be lackluster compared to UE5 including niagara, dx12 integration, and so much more.

Playing at 1440p 100% stable 60 fps, no fg active. Probably you might want to check your setup, stop expensive background programs, lower the quality in the gameusersettings.ini in here: C:\Users\YOURUSER\AppData\Local\lollipop\Saved\Config\Windows

I agree that UE3 wouldn't be the move, but UE4 having 'lackluster support' should not matter for a game that's offline single player only. UE4 is well understood by developers and as such the full output that UE4 can offer is easy to take advantage of. I don't see this game NEEDING UE5 in any capacity. There's just nothing about it that seems like UE5 was the best choice given the strange issues it has that are almost definitely due to the developers making bad choices, like UE5 over UE4. I have to question if it was a deal with Epic to use 5 over 4 because it doesn't make logical sense to me.

[Riceball]

Originally posted by Serious:

And how would UE3 help here?
I'm pretty sure that DLSS, FSR won't work for UE3. Also the support for UE4 would be lackluster compared to UE5 including niagara, dx12 integration, and so much more.

Playing at 1440p 100% stable 60 fps, no fg active. Probably you might want to check your setup, stop expensive background programs, lower the quality in the gameusersettings.ini in here: C:\Users\YOURUSER\AppData\Local\lollipop\Saved\Config\Windows

I'm saying that if they had released the original version of the game, minus the content they lost due to licensing, it would have run better. The fact that UE5 is notorious for running games terribly without some form of DLSS or FSR is what I was saying.

[Dexter]

Bruh, what issues? Only issue I've had so far was one Crash.

[HunterTwoOneOne]

Originally posted by Dexter:

Bruh, what issues? Only issue I've had so far was one Crash.

Graphics Options not existing, Crashes, QTEs being buggy and unresponsive, no Cloud Saves, Cutscenes are wildly inconsistent for audio and visuals, severe frame drops in cutscenes, etc. You may be lucky and not have had or didn't notice issues, but they're definitely well documented in the reviews and the forum.

[NathanD7]

Originally posted by Juri's Footstool:

Originally posted by Dexter:

Bruh, what issues? Only issue I've had so far was one Crash.

Graphics Options not existing, Crashes, QTEs being buggy and unresponsive, no Cloud Saves, Cutscenes are wildly inconsistent for audio and visuals, severe frame drops in cutscenes, etc. You may be lucky and not have had or didn't notice issues, but they're definitely well documented in the reviews and the forum.

I've had all those issue in the first hour of playing lol, refunded it immediately.

[HunterTwoOneOne]

Originally posted by NathanD7:

Originally posted by Juri's Footstool:

Graphics Options not existing, Crashes, QTEs being buggy and unresponsive, no Cloud Saves, Cutscenes are wildly inconsistent for audio and visuals, severe frame drops in cutscenes, etc. You may be lucky and not have had or didn't notice issues, but they're definitely well documented in the reviews and the forum.

I've had all those issue in the first hour of playing lol, refunded it immediately.

Damn, that's rough.

[GuRu Asaki]

Originally posted by Riceball:

It's clearly the main issue, no way should this game be giving this many issues while looking it it does for so many people. Hell Unreal 4 would have been a better bet or you know, just stick to Unreal 3 like the original game.

As Far As I Was Aware:

PlayStation 3 Actually Has More Players Then
The PlayStation 5 Right Now...

PlayStation 3 Has A Ginormous Library Of Tripple AAA
Massively Loved Entertainment, Practically Almost Everything
That You Buy Is Down Right Loved As A Game...

I've Got Over 150 Games On PS3, &
I'm Still Not Owning All The Good Ones...

The PlayStation 5 However??

There Is Nothing That Pushes Me To Want The PS5 At All...
Not A Single Game...


The Tech Demo For 1 Was A Launch Demo
For Unreal Engine 5 Which My Understanding
Was For AI Having Access To Game Development...

There Was A Demo Someone Uploaded
That Depicted Every Bit Of What Was
Wrong With Unreal Engine 5, Long Before
The Announcement Tech Demo Was
Released By Big Tech Companies...

Look Up The Superman Video Where He
Is Flying Over A Ginormous City...

The Game Looks Incredibly Appealing
In A Way That Comes Off & Feels Very
Much Like It's Too Good...

But The Entire Backdrop Feels Very Empty
In A Way That The Game, You Just Know
Something Is Off About It, & Know That
There Is Something Wrong With The Game...

The Longer The Demo Goes On With Superman??
The More Suspicious You Become At Thinking
This Game Is Loaded With Problems,
Even Though You Can't See Any Issues Yet,
You Just Know They Are There...

At The Time Where They Tell You
& Show You A Part Of The City
Where They Demonstrate An
Issue With Unreal Engine 5??

Your Not Suprised That Superman
Would Have This Issue...

Then Comes Their Explanation Of
Everything Wrong With The Game...

& Everything You Were Expecting??

Becomes The Reality That You Were Right...

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Look At The Tech Demo Of The Car In The Forest
For Unreal Engine 5??

Why Are The Shadows Under The Car
Way Too Soft, & Why Is The Car It's Self
An Electric Car At All In A Forest,
& Why Do The Car Decales Not Really
Impress The Viewer Of The Video??

This Tells You Three Things:

-- 1.) This Electric Car Is A Symbol Of The Future
(This Symbol = Represents The DEI / Woke Problem Harming Culture)

-- 2.) The Soft Shadows - Proves That Unreal Engine 5
(Is Not Able To Produce Content As Good As Older Games)
(Is Not Able To Produce Quality As Good As Older Games)
& Also,
(Provides A Worst Experience Overall)

-- 3.) The Car With Poor Quality Details -

Represents All That Is Wrong With Unreal Engine 5
(That AI Can't Actually Make Good Games At All)
(That Human Beings Can Do Far Better Then AI In Game Development)
And Also,
(That AI In Video Games As Well As Unreal Engine 5,
Automatically Tells You The Game Will Be Horribly
Worst Then A Game For The PlayStation 3 Market)

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Which Tells Me & Everyone Else,
If It Has AI Or Unreal Engine 5,
Don't Buy It At All...

That Is The Message We Are Being Sent By
The Tech Demo Of The Unreal Engine 5...

Then There Is A 2nd Tech Demo
Where It's Depicted As If A Woman
Is The Main Focus Of The Tech Demo
To Entise You As A Customer To
Buy Unreal Engine 5 & The AI Platform??

Which Is A Marketing Strategy That Is
Being Used To Influence You Into That
Poor Marketing Quality Standard...

Why A Woman??

Because Unlike All The Games Making
The Woman Look Ugly & Hated??

This Tech Demo Entises You To Like The Woman,
& Entises You To Want Her In Your Games,
Which Thus Pushes You To Think That AI Will
Make Games Actually Better Then Humans Can...

But This Woman In The Tech Demo,
Is Like A False Prophet, Where You
Have Already Seen What The Unreal Engine 5
Has To Offer You In Terms Of Quality Of Games...

It's A Terrible Mess??

Soooo, Because You Know This??

You Can Already Tell That This Demonstration
Is Lying To You As Someone Who's Watching It...

Which In Turn Is A Very Manipulative Thing To Do To People...
& Some People Might Not Like Being Lied To...





As The Person Above Has Suggested??


Unreal Engine 5, Was A Mistake...

The Question Is??

Did The People Behind This Ever Care From The Beginning??


Soooo, Going Back To The Idea
That Unreal Engine 5 Was A Mistake??

Do They Even Care??

If They Didn't Ever Care??


What Does That Tell You As The Customer,
& What Does That Tell You About All The
Games You Had Paid For In Recent Years??

How Does That Actually Make You Feel As
Someone Who Actually Likes These Games??

& How Do You As The Customer Respond To All This In 2024??

The Topic Of AI, Isn't That It Can't Make Games,
Actually In The Right Hands It Certainly Can
Make Good Games, But That Isn't The Point...

AI Making Art, Isn't What AI Should Be Used For,
& Certainly Isn't Where AI Is Popular Anyways,
Sooooo, The Fact That AI Is Being Missused On
The Market For Poor Trendy Standard Things??

Just Ruins The Whole Concept Of AI All Together...

But?? It's Also, That AI Doesn't Offer Anyone Anything,
AI Can Make Games, People Proved That,
Soooo What?? That Doesn't Impress Me At All,
Because AI Making Games Isn't Tallent At All,
Artwork Doesn't Work In The World As Something
That Is Impressive Because Someone Or Something
Can Make It Better, & Improve On It...

Artwork Is Impressive, Because It's A Skill That
People Don't Have, Or Aren't Good Enough,
Soooo They Challenge Themself To See How
Good They Can Perfect It As A Skill They Lack,
Or Don't Have... But AI Just Takes That Entire
Experience Out Of The Equasion Entirely When
A Game Or Artwork Is Made... & AI Just Replaces
It With Precise Calculations Of Math To Lay Out
A Game's Design Structure For People In A Way
That Is Really Simple To How The AI Can Understand...

As The AI Improves The More The Artwork
Becomes Better & More Quality Added On??

Which Is Exactly The Same As When A Human
Goes & Improves Their Skill Of Doing The Same Thing...

Soooo, Technically Artwork & Impressiveness
& How Artwork Is Made, Hasn't Changed,
Just The Only Thing That Has, Is Who Or What
Is Now Doing It, Instead Of Who Or What Was
Doing It Before...

Then There Is The Part Where People & Humans
Can Already Produce Artwork In Impressive Ways
As It Is Already... Soooo?? The AI Just Adds Overall
Very Little To The Artwork Of Impressiveness From
The Very Beginning...

Soooo, What Is The Point Of The AI??

It's Even More Then That, A Human Being
Can Produce Artwork Faster & Faster The
More They Improve On It...

In The Past I Was Able To Make A
Standing Animation Of A Character
In A Matter Of Weeks, But In Recent
Time, I Can Produce This In A Matter
Of 1 Day...

I Can Actually Make A Character Image
In A Fighting Game Like Ken Masters Of Street Fighter 3??

In Matter Of Mins... Lone Enough Make A Full Character
Very Quickely Compared To Before...

The AI Can Do The Exact Same Thing,
But I Can Do Things With My Characters,
& With My Experience Of Making These
Games, That This AI Can't Do...

Because The AI Will Never Have
The Personality Of A Human Being,
Which Is Required For Artwork To
Be Successful On The Market...

And For Those Reasons??

AI Just Isn't Worth Using In Game Development & World Of Artwork At All...


Unreal Engine 5 & AI Fueling It??

Just Isn't What It Was Supposed To Be,
& The Fact People Are Manipulating The
AI For The Unreal Engine 5 Experience
To Make The Games They Want??

Just Proves That AI Isn't Capable Of
Self Artwork Without The Use Of A
Person Having Involvement From The
Start... & Also, Just Proves Just How
Much Of A Mistake Unreal Engine 5 Is As A Whole...






Anyone Agree??

[GuRu Asaki]

Apologies For It Being Soooo Long... Hah, o_@

I Didn't Know How To Respond
Without Such A Long Extensive
Explanation Here...