Star Trek: Resurgence
Star wars has always been better than Star Trek! Both in the movies and in the games!
Star wars has always been better than Star Trek! Both in the movies and in the games!
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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย dermaniac:
โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Batootcat:
I watched the first Star Wars movie when it came out. I never watched any more after that. What turned me off was R2D2... Why the hell was he making those obnoxious bleeping sounds and not talking like C3PO. Come on they had the technology but some idiot decided " I`m going to make a bleeping blathering robot just to piss every one off..."

To be fair, C3P0 talked and was just as annoying.

If I could I would give you a thumbs up...
โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Morgan:
Star wars has always been better than Star Trek! Both in the movies and in the games!
This entire series was annoying!
Bro unironically came to a Star Trek game forum and wrote "star wars better than star trek!"...
RIP
There are indeed more Star Wars games


and there are more Star Trek TV series
Snark aside, Star Trek scores over Star Wars in one essential way: hope.

I do see the irony in saying Star Wars has no hope, but the universe of Star Wars is set - by George Lucas - in a perpetual state of recycling good and evil. This is further enhanced by the games, which explore the rise and fall of the Sith and the Jedi. Over and over and over again. The same mistakes, in an unending cycle.

Anakin does bring balance to the Force, as foretold, because he obliterates the Jedi. The Jedi who had their thumb on the galactic roulette wheel, always pushing light and suppressing dark. His kid swings it the other direction, and Luke's nephew the other direction (and all of them being whiny little ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the process, god I hate the Skywalkers).

So absolutely nothing you do, good or evil, matters. The destruction of Alderan, the destruction of the Death Stars. None of it matters. It is a universe devoid of hope, because the cycle always repeats. Of course The Force Awakens is just a retread of New Hope - by design, that universe just repeats ad infinitum.

Star Trek however was born of the hippie trippy '60s, and while it's mostly shed that, the idealism, the hope remains. The idea that we could actually transcend our violent, greedy nature, and build something wonderful, something positive. Hope. In the face of nuclear annihilation, racism, poverty. All the ills of the real world, seemingly without solution. Star Trek gives us the hope that there's a solution.

We joined Starfleet to dive headfirst into the unknown, decries Brad Boimler, explorers, not soldiers, not conquerors. I hate Sisco as much as I hate Section 31, and apparently anyone who makes the rank of admiral, because they're all the antithesis of the ideals of the Federation, they all chose the easy way out. I love Lower Decks for the exact same reason, because while it makes fun of Star Trek tropes, it's as much a love letter to Star Trek as Galaxy Quest was. The lower deckers, to a person, epitomize the ideals of Star Trek.

Hope for us all. What has Star Wars got compared to that?
แก้ไขล่าสุดโดย Sword_of_Light; 4 ต.ค. 2024 @ 9: 26am
Well said. I had never quite framed it that way. Star Trek is aspirational. Except for a few mis-steps (Disco and maybe 31) Trek is about the striving, the challenge to be our best in a confusing and frequently hostile universe. (AND, how to make the universe, as a whole, better, smarter, kinder.)

Star Wars, OTOH assumes a broken, impossible, un-fixable universe. At best you can save yourselves, and your friends, but the big stuff depends on some "magical daddy". Politically that might better reflect our modern world, but it's ultimately pretty bleak.

I choose the ST universe. But can we pretend that the last two seasons of Discovery never happened? Puhlleeze?
แก้ไขล่าสุดโดย Rabblevox; 4 ต.ค. 2024 @ 9: 40am
โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Rabblevox:
Except for a few mis-steps [/quote}
Oh, this is by far not a perfect IP. Spock's Brain may be the most infamously bad episode but for my money its The Omega Glory. Freedom! You use our holy word! Ugh. What a dreadful episode. Nice idea, Gene, needed some work.


โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Rabblevox:
Star Wars, OTOH assumes a broken, impossible, un-fixable universe.

I have a friend who's a fan of ST: Prodigy who describes it as a bunch of Star Wars characters who are introduced into the Star Trek universe.
แก้ไขล่าสุดโดย Sword_of_Light; 4 ต.ค. 2024 @ 1: 24pm
Your friend isn't wrong. ST:Prod is probably the perfect intro to the universe for that mythical "Star Trek Virgin".
(plus, never enough Janeway!)
โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Sword_of_Light:
So absolutely nothing you do, good or evil, matters. The destruction of Alderan, the destruction of the Death Stars. None of it matters. It is a universe devoid of hope, because the cycle always repeats. Of course The Force Awakens is just a retread of New Hope - by design, that universe just repeats ad infinitum.
This has long been the Star Wars Meta, the Star Wars universe being so anchored in a moment of time. However, I never thought it to be canon until Disney got the license and released the Sequel Trilogy. I hear now that Disney is moving to de-canonize the Sequel Trilogy, so maybe there is hope after all?

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Rabblevox:
I choose the ST universe. But can we pretend that the last two seasons of Discovery never happened? Puhlleeze?
The first two seasons I enjoyed as an exploration of what Star Trek or Starfleet might inspire, an exemplary officer in a desperate situation choosing mutiny as a solution to a problem. The relaxed nature of the Starfleet navy being not strictly a military function, but a civic minded scientific function. The spiral into the absurd of a civilian being court martialed out of service and given a life sentence (iirc), was a slap in the face of how Starfleet might fail.

The Fifth Season seemed quite at home in the wake of the first two seasons, and the magical McGuffin chase is in hindsight a pleasant addition. It morphs much of the series into a campy parody. The chafing of a tardigrade the size of a bear, and a failure to adhere to the "warp speed limits", etc. all fall quiet to Burnham's refusal to accept the artificial gravity and Warp Field Geometry (as Q says, change the gravitational constant) technology guarded by the Progenitor.
โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Morgan:
Star wars has always been better than Star Trek! Both in the movies and in the games!
Star Wars is better!
That nonsense never cease to amuse me.
"xyz is better"? That's Evok chatter.
The one thing is a fantasy, the other a possbile future.
So you like the fantasy more? fine. now go play with your lightsaber.
โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SuriViruS:
That nonsense never cease to amuse me.
"xyz is better"? That's Evok chatter.
The one thing is a fantasy, the other a possbile future.
So you like the fantasy more? fine. now go play with your lightsaber.
The other one is not the future because none of what is on that series that you are claiming to be the would ever be possible not matter how far in the future that you are saying, it would simply never be possible.

You can go play with your phaser.
โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Brian Finley:
โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Morgan:
Star wars has always been better than Star Trek! Both in the movies and in the games!
This is a serious discussion! I want to know people's honest opinions!
Star Wars is for children.
โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SkaldedDawg:
โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Brian Finley:
This is a serious discussion! I want to know people's honest opinions!
Star Wars is for children.
Star Trek is for children!
The base morality system is a child's fairy tale of light side and dark side, good vs evil.

However, the Skywalker arc is a transformative one which humanizes the villain in a partial departure of the good vs evil fairy tale. It "pulls back the curtain" on the fairy tale ever so slightly.

Knights of the Old Republic II is an exciting entry into the Star Wars Lore, because the psycho analyzing pulls the curtain back farther, exposing flaws of the light side. There is a pathway to maturity in the Star Wars saga.

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Star Trek is similar to the old Fables, in that many of the arcs are morality tales. Star Trek also tends to carry a very idealized and optimistic vision of the future, almost fairy tale like in execution.

If the argument is that Star Wars is for children, then what makes Star Trek not for children?
แก้ไขล่าสุดโดย CJM; 8 ต.ค. 2024 @ 12: 58pm
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