Off Topic; "Star Trek: Discovery"...anyone hanging in till the bitter end?

[Rabblevox]

I can't talk about the Resurgence yet (downloading now, but I've got slow internet). So I thought I'd talk about ST:Disco. I have to finish it, because I'm a Trek completionist. It's the most horrifyingly bad entry in the ST canon. But I'm watching the series finale tomorrow.

I don't hate it for the reasons some others do. I'm fine with the "wokeness" of it all. That's in keeping with the overall ST universe. Burhnam, Book, Saru, Ajira, and Tilly are all good characters played by good actors. Adding Tig Notaro and C.K Rennie to the crew should have been gold, and they each carry their scenes. But it's fizzled to the worst final season in ST:TV history. Yes, Enterprise had the most shockingly bad final episode, but that wasn't completely their fault, and ST:E final season was overall one of their best. But I digress.

Every ST has had a rocky launch. Too much exposition, too many characters and actors who are new to each other. Disco was no different. I was willing to give season 1 a pass, because they were taking a big swing and it hadn't quite clicked yet, but I saw flashes of brilliance. S2 seemed like the show was almost finding it's legs, until it decided to try walking on it's hands.

Despite a huge budget, greatest effects ever on a TV show, great actors, and a fanbase willing to forgive some bumps, I don't think I've ever seen a series go this sour this fast. It feels like it's been written and directed by Chat: GPT-1. Technobabble, plot holes, and scenery-chewing emo are ST canon, always to be expected. But there's guard-rails, dammit. Even Prodigy pretty much holds to them.

Disco, however throws everything out the window for mystical ridiculous ♥♥♥♥ that George Lucas at his worst would have been embarrassed by. No joke, my old high school drama club could have written better lines. It has sucked all the life out of the franchise, and become the pervy uncle you don't want anyone to know is related.

But I will watch, oh yes I will, I can't not watch. Since the OG debut on my family's first color TV, I've watched them all, and can't stop now.

The good news, it's almost impossible for the finale to be worse than Enterprise's. The bad news, it will still prolly only be Metacritic 5.

Anyone ele in to the end?

On a happy note, Resurgence finished downloading, and Strange New Worlds 2 is coming.

Live long and prosper.

[dewey]

No, nobody watches that garbage.

[$unwish]

I do. I disagree about the actors, most of them are terrible. Burnham did grow into the character over the time though. She was the worst part of first two seasons. Best ones are Lorca, Georgiu, Pike, Spock. Those who aren't in it anymore. Saru is good i guess.
And 5th season is the only good season out of last three. Interesting tie-in into the lore with good pacing, they actually do explore something almost every episode and many of those ♥♥♥♥♥♥ characters\actors don't pop out that much. Saru replacement was great too, nice addition. "Villains" are also decent this time. Elias Toufexis voice acting is always good.

[Rabblevox]

Originally posted by $unwish:

I do. I disagree about the actors, most of them are terrible. Burnham did grow into the character over the time though. She was the worst part of first two seasons. Best ones are Lorca, Georgiu, Pike, Spock. Those who aren't in it anymore. Saru is good i guess.
And 5th season is the only good season out of last three. Interesting tie-in into the lore with good pacing, they actually do explore something almost every episode and many of those ♥♥♥♥♥♥ characters\actors don't pop out that much. Saru replacement was great too, nice addition. "Villains" are also decent this time. Elias Toufexis voice acting is always good.

You answered your own argument. What could have been good about Disco is what they stripped away. They had the chance for greatness, and dumbed it down to mediocre CW teen drama with great CGI. I think that's an unforgiveable sin.

I guess that's why Star Trek still inspires debate after 50 years. I will still call ST:D S5 as the very worst in franchise history. (and that is one of my hills).

The writing was insipid and not worthy of a bright 12-year old. Seriously, plot and dialog have never been worse. Not even in the first animated series. ( which OMG had cringy icky ♥♥♥♥ aplenty) .

But I respect your completely wrong opinion. Tell me what you think ST's worst season has been?

[Муромец]

Quit in the middle of season 3 (shows like TNG, DS9, ENT, SG-1 and B5 taught me to wait for at least one or even two seasons, before giving up). Acting, with few exceptions, was mediocore or downright bad, writing was getting progressively worse. Set designs, costumes, make up and CGI were good or even great at times, but that is not enought for ST-based series in my opinion. My only hope lies with ST: SNW now. Not a masterpiecem, but a acceptable, most of the time. Especially when compared to Dis or Pulkehard.

[neotechni]

I am glad itll have fewer eps than Enterprise,, and the the Burning STD is finally gone

[Tankfriend]

Originally posted by Rabblevox:

I can't talk about the Resurgence yet (downloading now, but I've got slow internet). So I thought I'd talk about ST:Disco. I have to finish it, because I'm a Trek completionist. It's the most horrifyingly bad entry in the ST canon. But I'm watching the series finale tomorrow.

Yeah, also chewing my way through this trainwreck for completionist's sake. Doing a full rewatch of good StarTrek (currently going through DS9) with a couple friends in parallel, though, so that eases the pain.

I don't hate it for the reasons some others do. I'm fine with the "wokeness" of it all.

I'm not. Not because of the wokeness, itself, though, but because of the hamfisted approach they chose time and again to present it. They might've mellowed out a bit over the Seasons in regards to things that have already been crammed down our throats two or three times, but they sure as hell have to do it again every single time something new comes up. Even at the obvious detriment to the show and storytelling.

That's in keeping with the overall ST universe. Burhnam, Book, Saru, Ajira, and Tilly are all good characters played by good actors.

Saru would be the only one to make my personal list, to be honest. Too much unwarranted Mary Sue'ing going on with the rest of the cast, especially Burnham, for my taste.

Rayner might've gotten a chance at the list had he appeared earlier. But I doubt he'd have been given any real chance of beating some damn needed professionalism into this motley crew.

It feels like it's been written and directed by Chat: GPT-1.

That's actually a fair description, I think. There's awesome scenery and effects work, and individual pieces of the show could work quite well if the writing and acting had been polished several times over, but the overarching whole feels cobbled together from whatever one could grab from official and non-official stories and fan fiction.

[Jordan_Peterson]

I like Discovery for one reason, it is one of the worst most cringe most bad written shows in human history.
It is always good to have one thing you can compare every other show with and say:"Well it is not as bad as ST Discovery!"

[Rabblevox]

Originally posted by Jordan Peterson:

I like Discovery for one reason, it is one of the worst most cringe most bad written shows in human history.
It is always good to have one thing you can compare every other show with and say:"Well it is not as bad as ST Discovery!"

FTW!

[Sharkon]

I only watched the first Season, wasn't too bad. nice graphics and all. I didn't like the cast much execpt for Michelle Yeoh.

but for the thread question...you might have guessed it. nope, not on board. :)

[Not Mr Flıbble]

Whether you like it or not, it remains true that without it, we'd not have Strange New Worlds. Short Treks. Picard, Lower Decks or Prodigy. Certainly not as we know them, at least; and SNW in particular would not have benefitted from Mount and Peck having that early start as Pike and Spock.

[Ol'Jonesy]

The best part of Disco is that it birthed Strange New Worlds.

I watched the first three seasons. I forgave a lot of the issues with the first season, but just such. The second was better but ended weakly. The third season was just overall hard to watch.

My issues are myriad, but mostly boil down to Burnham. I love Sonequa Martin-Green, but the writing for her character never made much sense. She was overly emotional and obviously the star of the show - so much that it damaged an otherwise compelling crew. that I wanted to enjoy. I still lament that so many interesting characters were outshone by the need for the writers to make Burnham the Star Trek Superhero.

It's ok though. Strange New Worlds more than makes up for my misgivings, and Lower Decks has been it's own brand of amazing. Disco is what it is, and that's ok. Everyone doesn't have to like the same thing for it to have value.

[Rabblevox]

Originally posted by Ol'Jonesy:

The best part of Disco is that it birthed Strange New Worlds.

I watched the first three seasons. I forgave a lot of the issues with the first season, but just such. The second was better but ended weakly. The third season was just overall hard to watch.

My issues are myriad, but mostly boil down to Burnham. I love Sonequa Martin-Green, but the writing for her character never made much sense. She was overly emotional and obviously the star of the show - so much that it damaged an otherwise compelling crew. that I wanted to enjoy. I still lament that so many interesting characters were outshone by the need for the writers to make Burnham the Star Trek Superhero.

It's ok though. Strange New Worlds more than makes up for my misgivings, and Lower Decks has been it's own brand of amazing. Disco is what it is, and that's ok. Everyone doesn't have to like the same thing for it to have value.

I disagree with you on only one point. Strange New Worlds was in development alongside Discovery. They took very different approaches to source material. Obviously one worked and one didn't. I agree with you especially about the "Star Trek Superhero" aspect. Best Trek has always been ordinary (but smart) people in impossible situations.

PS, the finale wasn't as bad as Enterprise's (how could it be?) But it was the second worst finale, to the absolute worst entry in the franchise.

[Faster With Feeling]

Season 4 was the best and yes

[elfypooh]

I don’t consider kurtzman Trek canon so I don’t think completionism is a thing in this case. It’s too far removed from Star Trek. Sure it says Star Trek, and resembles it, but its lore, logic, characters, species, on and on are distorted. There are just too many continuity problems. They even changed the Klingon Bat'leth to face inwards. Why even do this? The first Klingon we see using it inadvertently stabs himself. The storytelling method has also changed from episodic to serialised, and focuses rather on poetry than sci-fi, or anything that resembles critical thinking skills.

I can’t tell if they are bad actors, since a bad script can make good actors look atrocious. Like Mark Wahlberg is an ok actor but let M. Night Shyamalan write his lines in The Happening consequently you can’t tell if he’s a terrible actor or the script is so bad and unrelatable that he can’t help himself. One thing I do think is the cast don’t seem to appreciate anything Star Trek like, and that probably shows in their acting, with a ton of arrogance and egotism.

[ttv/VirtuallyBob™]

I hate watched both STD and Space TP They were AWFUL. Terrible.

What really sucks is how Jar Jar Abrams production company tricked some viewers into thinking these CBS All Access/Paramount+ series' were in the same continuity as the OG series, TNG etc - they are are NOT. They are part of the Spock Prime Universe and therefore, these are NOT the same characters we grew up with - the same characters that we know and love. Therefore, meh to any CBS All Access/Paramount + ST related content.

Note/Edit: I canceled my sub to CBS All Access/Paramount+ before I hate watched the final seasons of STD and Space TP. I did hear that (spoiler-free) that s3 of Space Toilet Paper was good. If I ever resub (maybe when P+ gets the full South Park license back), I'll revisit the final season of both.

Edit 2: besides STD and Space Toilet Paper, the only other TV series I've hated watched were the craptastical 'Under the Dome' (CBS) and the pos 'Rings of Power' (Amazon)